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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 21, 2016 11:33:29 GMT -5
Y'all have confused me.... Sure archery kill will be down with early gun opener...but hunters are still hunting, just with guns. No days of total hunting have been lost. Just a chagnge in weapon used. Deer season is still October 1- January 1 ..ish To say the lower overall harvest is due to early gun season makes zero sense Very few archery deer hunters continue to hunt with archery gear once the firearm season starts, right? Now one could say that those days are still there but now are on after the firearm season ends. Which days are more productive for an archery hunter? I think Arlowe pointed out that the early archery season "AVERAGED" about 750 deer a day. My guess is that the average was boosted considerably by the latter days of archery season. When the firearm season goes back to November 18 next season then the archery hunters will have more days (opportunities) to kill more deer. Whether they kill more next season than this season or not depends on a lot of variables, but they will have more opportunities.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 21, 2016 11:39:15 GMT -5
But that doesn't affect TOTAL harvest numbers. Some of y'all are saying the 3-4000 fewer deer harvested is due to shorter archery season. The only thing shorter archery season affects is archery total
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 21, 2016 11:41:59 GMT -5
Or I'm misreading what some have stated. Hard to keep up
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Post by greghopper on Dec 21, 2016 11:44:40 GMT -5
So if archery is down then the other seasons have to be up to stay at same over all #'s.... Fairly easy math really.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 21, 2016 11:47:31 GMT -5
Someone needs to tell the feller on the other site to compare the actual dates of the month from one season to the next and not the "Tuesday after MZ season". Not comparing apples to apples..
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Post by greghopper on Dec 21, 2016 11:51:09 GMT -5
Someone needs to tell the feller on the other site to compare the actual dates of the month from one season to the next and not the "Tuesday after MZ season". Not comparing apples to apples.. I may try .... Not sure it's worth it, to much friendly fire there!
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Post by wesb81219 on Dec 21, 2016 13:15:26 GMT -5
Or I'm misreading what some have stated. Hard to keep up The point he is making is that the guys who archery hunt only have a shorter early archery season some years and some years they have longer. So in turn on the shorter years you are taking those archery only guys out of the woods sooner hence the lesser archery kills. That also does not indicate that more gun only hunters will take more deer.
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Post by killer4 on Dec 21, 2016 13:28:41 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with low numbers.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 21, 2016 14:14:17 GMT -5
Or I'm misreading what some have stated. Hard to keep up The point he is making is that the guys who archery hunt only have a shorter early archery season some years and some years they have longer. So in turn on the shorter years you are taking those archery only guys out of the woods sooner hence the lesser archery kills. That also does not indicate that more gun only hunters will take more deer. Actually, no they don't. Archery runs concurrent with gun season. An archery only guy still can hunt during gun season. We've had an archery season for some time now, Oct 1- first of January. No such thing as early or late anymore. Been awhile since that was the case. Just saying
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Post by greghopper on Dec 21, 2016 15:10:51 GMT -5
It's changed when we got crossbow/Herd reduction 2012 I believe.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 21, 2016 15:25:20 GMT -5
The point he is making is that the guys who archery hunt only have a shorter early archery season some years and some years they have longer. So in turn on the shorter years you are taking those archery only guys out of the woods sooner hence the lesser archery kills. That also does not indicate that more gun only hunters will take more deer. Actually, no they don't. Archery runs concurrent with gun season. An archery only guy still can hunt during gun season. We've had an archery season for some time now, Oct 1- first of January. No such thing as early or late anymore. Been awhile since that was the case. Just saying According to the 2010 deer hunter survey only 5% of the archery hunters "claimed" that they continued hunting with archery equipment when firearm season came in.. Most deer hunters opt for the most efficient hunting tool that they can use in a given season..
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 21, 2016 15:27:15 GMT -5
It's changed when we got crossbow/Herd reduction 2012 I believe. It had nothing to do with crossbows. It had to do with eliminating the week off between firearm and muzzleloader season. That tied both the early and late archery seasons together..
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Post by greghopper on Dec 21, 2016 15:31:00 GMT -5
It's changed when we got crossbow/Herd reduction 2012 I believe. It had nothing to do with crossbows. It had to do with eliminating the week off between firearm and muzzleloader season. That tied both the early and late archery seasons together.. It all came in the same rule package was the point.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 21, 2016 15:49:26 GMT -5
Personally I believe that the low 120s will be the new norm...
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Post by wesb81219 on Dec 21, 2016 16:08:29 GMT -5
Actually, no they don't. Archery runs concurrent with gun season. An archery only guy still can hunt during gun season. We've had an archery season for some time now, Oct 1- first of January. No such thing as early or late anymore. Been awhile since that was the case. Just saying According to the 2010 deer hunter survey only 5% of the archery hunters "claimed" that they continued hunting with archery equipment when firearm season came in.. Most deer hunters opt for the most efficient hunting tool that they can use in a given season.. This was my thinking as well.
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Post by colts1888 on Dec 21, 2016 16:26:43 GMT -5
But that doesn't affect TOTAL harvest numbers. Some of y'all are saying the 3-4000 fewer deer harvested is due to shorter archery season. The only thing shorter archery season affects is archery total Agreed. Those archery hunters will still have the same opportunity, just with a different weapon if they choose. And with this years gun opener coming in at the best time of the rut there should have been plenty of opportunity. I'm not buying a shorter archery season has anything to do with lower overall totals personally. Those guys were still in the woods and still hunting, they didn't just leave because gun season came in early. Plus most guys only need a deer or 2 a year, if they were lucky enough to get that done in bow season they might not hunt firearms at all. The guys who didn't tag in bow will just pick up a gun and have the same, if not much better, opportunity to kill the same deer that were there in archery. More days in archery would not necesarrily have made a person shoot more deer. JMO but i think all that would happen is more of the harvest that would have happened with a bow during prime time this season was just shifted to the first few days of the firearms season.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 21, 2016 17:50:16 GMT -5
One other thing that we need to be careful about when comparing last season's kill to this season's kill.
There was a few "hiccups" in the data form time to time and if I recall most of those ended up with less deer killed than was reported previously.
The FINAL "hiccup" dropped the last reported kill number from 124,747 to 123,664. A drop of 1,083 deer.
One can go back through the 2015 deer kill thread on here and see the "hiccups".
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Post by wesb81219 on Dec 21, 2016 17:57:54 GMT -5
But that doesn't affect TOTAL harvest numbers. Some of y'all are saying the 3-4000 fewer deer harvested is due to shorter archery season. The only thing shorter archery season affects is archery total Agreed. Those archery hunters will still have the same opportunity, just with a different weapon if they choose. And with this years gun opener coming in at the best time of the rut there should have been plenty of opportunity. I'm not buying a shorter archery season has anything to do with lower overall totals personally. Those guys were still in the woods and still hunting, they didn't just leave because gun season came in early. Plus most guys only need a deer or 2 a year, if they were lucky enough to get that done in bow season they might not hunt firearms at all. The guys who didn't tag in bow will just pick up a gun and have the same, if not much better, opportunity to kill the same deer that were there in archery. More days in archery would not necesarrily have made a person shoot more deer. JMO but i think all that would happen is more of the harvest that would have happened with a bow during prime time this season was just shifted to the first few days of the firearms season. I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of guys that strictly bow hunt that don't hunt at all during firearms. Thus you are removing hunters from the woods sooner when firearms starts sooner.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 18:36:30 GMT -5
We should do a survey as follows:
Bow Hunt only before gun Bow Hunt only all season Gun Hunt only Gun Hunt and Muzzleloader only Muzzleloader only Bow and gun hunt Bow and muzzleloader hunt All three (bow, gun and Muzzleloader) Bow, Gun and muzzleloader if needed
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 21, 2016 18:44:04 GMT -5
We should do a survey as follows: Bow Hunt only before gun Bow Hunt only all season Gun Hunt only Gun Hunt and Muzzleloader only Muzzleloader only Bow and gun hunt Bow and muzzleloader hunt All three (bow, gun and Muzzleloader) Bow, Gun and muzzleloader if needed Do it... Make a poll and see where it goes..
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