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Post by alduflux on Aug 5, 2016 17:16:59 GMT -5
To make a long story short, I have no problem with a law abiding citizen shooting big deer with depredation tags, or taking a pic of the deer.
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Post by ms660 on Aug 5, 2016 17:19:41 GMT -5
Those permits should not be available to start with. If the deer are doing so much damage (which I do not believe to be true in most cases), then let some folks hunt your place and they can knock down the numbers during the regular hunting seasons, or do it yourself. If you don't want hunting on your land, fence your crops with deer proof fences. Farmers with orchards in northern Michigan routinely fence their fields. Deer proof fences? With bean and corn prices at their current levels and farm land falling 8% in value for two years? Not even close to economically feasible. Farmers are losing 10% to 30% of their crop to deer. That is fact, not speculation. Farming income has fallen dramatically in the last three years. Again, fact not opinion...... They could be loosing 10-30% of the crops they put out, but the deer isn't doing the majority of the damage. Coons squirrels do as much if not more. Geese can wipe out a fresh sprouted corn field quick. If they loose that much why is insurance not taking care of it. The US government, you got to admit treats the US farmer damned good in subsidies pay outs when crops fail, or even sometimes when they don't. Can't tell income has fallen where I live. Every farmer I know has the latest, greatest, largest John Deere tractor, combine made. Not to mention what their grain storage systems and hauling rigs look like. When any farm ground comes up for auction whether it's 5 acres or a 1000 it will bring 5 to 10 grand an acre always
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Post by GS1 on Aug 5, 2016 17:41:16 GMT -5
I've seen this picture on several pages. Originally I saw it posted by someone who doesn't live in Indiana. He claimed it was an Indiana buck. For arguments sake I guess we will just assume it is an Indiana deer?
Would feelings be different if it was a smaller buck?
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Post by firstwd on Aug 5, 2016 19:09:49 GMT -5
I've seen this picture on several pages. Originally I saw it posted by someone who doesn't live in Indiana. He claimed it was an Indiana buck. For arguments sake I guess we will just assume it is an Indiana deer? Would feelings be different if it was a smaller buck? I find it interesting that so many people a whining about a hunter would appreciate it more. The farmers can designate others the use the tags. Maybe a hunter did appreciate this deer. Maybe it was in an area the has several bachelor groups and no does. I know during the summer my farm has very few bucks, but holds incredible amounts of does and fawns.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 5, 2016 20:02:47 GMT -5
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Post by alduflux on Aug 5, 2016 22:57:43 GMT -5
My two cents worth...
The "hero photos" on easy to kill nuisance deer? To me, it just shows one big ignorant ego.. That sounds like the argument the anti-crossbow crowd would use against the legalization of crossbow's for bow season. They would say stuff like "That's not deer hunting" and "It's too easy." I seem to recall you advocating the legalization of crossbows. Would you view a crossbow big buck kill the same? Why look down on the hunter for doing something that has been deemed biologically beneficial and is legal? (The argument over weather it is biologically necessary or accomplishes that goal is a different argument.)
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Post by ms660 on Aug 6, 2016 9:25:10 GMT -5
What is the process of eliminating nuisance deer Does one scout out an area, place stands, clear shooting lanes, wait for the wind to be right, get up 2 hours before dark. get in stand 1 hour before daylight, sit in stand all day, or do you just pull up in your pick up truck after seeing deer out in field eating beans pull of the road and shoot them out the window with a 30-06? I have never seen or heard how it's done. First way seems like actual hunting for them, second reminds me of the illegal activity of poaching although in this instance it's not, but still for me and I think many other stuck in the back of our brains that is what killing nuisance deer is. Another disturbing thing I have heard personally from a farmer is he will gut shoot every deer he sees feeding on his crops. The reason, so the deer will run off and not die in his fields and do damage to equipment during harvest
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 6, 2016 12:21:17 GMT -5
My two cents worth...
The "hero photos" on easy to kill nuisance deer? To me, it just shows one big ignorant ego.. That sounds like the argument the anti-crossbow crowd would use against the legalization of crossbow's for bow season. They would say stuff like "That's not deer hunting" and "It's too easy." I seem to recall you advocating the legalization of crossbows. Would you view a crossbow big buck kill the same? Why look down on the hunter for doing something that has been deemed biologically beneficial and is legal? (The argument over weather it is biologically necessary or accomplishes that goal is a different argument.) "Easy" is in the eyes of the beholder. I have never heard of anyone using a crossbow to take nuisance deer so I'm not sure about your analogy? Most are shot with high powered rifles as they venture out into soy bean fields. Some even with spot lights.. Summer deer are very easy to spot in bean fields and are easy to kill with centerfires when they do. Not sure about the "biologically necessary" either. This is crop protection. If the herd in these areas need culling there are a lot of ways to do it ( several good ideas in this thread) besides nuisance deer permits. They will never go away though as the Farm Bureau is a political force..
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Post by bullseye on Aug 7, 2016 17:46:44 GMT -5
I haven't used any crop depradation permits for about 5 years. The first year I did you had to keep the deer and turn in the rack. Second year you just had to dispose of the deer and you could keep the rack. Not sure how it is now. I passed a huge buck one summer and never saw him in season. I don't have a problem with the permits but then again I have had deer running in front of the truck about every day the last few weeks. Your opinion could be based on where you live. Then again I am not a trophy hunter and get tired of hearing all that stuff. I am just a deer hunter.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 9, 2016 11:47:29 GMT -5
From the DNR., Hey Woody, I have some answers to your questions. (1) Based on the 2013 report (http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-MR_1051_Deer_Damage_2013.pdf) only 11% of harvested deer were antlered with another 9% being button bucks. The remaining deer were female. So the majority of deer taken are females. Antlers have to be turned over to a conservation officer, district biologists, or taken to a property. And I do know that field personnel do get these turned into them. (2) Shot deer cannot be left to lie in the field. It has to be buried, incinerated, donated, or used. Talking about this with some of the biologists who used to work directly with some of these permit holders, most of the meat is utilized. Deer that are typically buried are usually those that could not be field dressed in a quick enough to prevent spoilage in hot temperatures. The permit holder has to report sex, date, time, and disposition of the carcass on their reporting form that is turned in every year at the end of the season. (3) The website link is www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/2351.htm This has some general information on addressing problems. And this page www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/2718.htm discusses the process a bit, but I could not find a page that outlines all the requirements in a stepwise fashion. Let me know if you need anything else or if you need additional clarification on .
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Post by windingwinds on Aug 9, 2016 21:00:23 GMT -5
My thought is its no longer a nuisance. The only reason it's a issue is the hardware on its head. Shameful really but guess that's what valued in hunting these days. After hitting two fawns in the road late July I'm not feeling horribly concerned about deer numbers. (Kosciusko County) As long as the meat is used I don't care when or why people use deprecation permits. Since I'm now stuck in Indiana I'm more concerned that farm deer stay fenced where they belong and that canned hunting is banned again. Two things that should never have became legal in Indiana.
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Post by chubwub on Aug 13, 2016 20:10:02 GMT -5
Sometimes I wryly think that these farmers who make such a fuss over some deer damaging their crops would never be able to be successful in the southren states where they have to deal with hogs in addition to those savage deer.
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