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Post by airgun on Apr 27, 2016 10:36:02 GMT -5
With the advancement in airguns over the last few years is it time to have airguns to hunt turkeys in Indiana? With a growing list of states permitting hunters to hunt with airguns for deer and turkeys can we be included in that list?
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 27, 2016 11:17:35 GMT -5
I don't see it happening here.
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Post by drs on Apr 27, 2016 11:22:03 GMT -5
Air rifles (adult) are fine for Squirrels & Rabbits, but not for Turkey or Deer.
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Post by jjas on Apr 27, 2016 11:44:08 GMT -5
There is an article in this month's OutdoorLife magazine which reviews several different air rifles (that range in price from $275.00 to $2,400.00) for those who may be interested.
As for me, I'll pass. Most air rifles won't do anything my .22 rifles won't do and I can easily quiet them down with the proper ammo and/or a can.
I know there are larger caliber air rifles that people hunt deer with and in the article they review an "air shotgun" but unless I have no other choice, I'll stick with my firearms.
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Post by airgun on Apr 27, 2016 12:30:37 GMT -5
I would challenges you do some research into air rifles. You will quickly find out that at 10 - 50 yards airs rifle can out perform a 22 rimfire. I can hold a five group at ten yards under 3/8 of an inch and at thirty yard a ground that can be covered by a dime. There are air rifles that can hold a five group at 100 yards that a quarter could cover. I personally do not know that many 22 rimfires that could match these stats (unless you were shooting a tournament gun, then I would say it could be a close one).
Lewis and Clark carried a 46 caliber air rifle that held 22 round balls, look up the NRA Museum, then search the Lewis and Clark air rifle.
Turkey hunting with a air rifle would be very challenging, I feel it would take more skills to harvest a turkey than a shotgun. I have hunted turkeys for a long time, I even have one in the record books. I even guided other turkey hunters. I feel turkey hunting with a air rifle would be just exciting as using a stick bow. There several states that currently permit air rifles in turkey season with positive results.
Deer hunting with an air rifle specially in a urban area would be the best tool to use. Less noise, just as accrurate as a center fire at close range. There are many videos on YouTube showing deer hunting with air rifles. The air rifle will not scare to game as a firearm does.
Are air guns for everybody? NO most people does not have the patience to be able to develope the skills to use a springer air rifle, they MUST be shot like a military rifle. In other words you can not just pick one up (springer) and think you will be able to shoot a nice group.
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Post by jjas on Apr 27, 2016 13:05:13 GMT -5
I would challenges you do some research into air rifles. You will quickly find out that at 10 - 50 yards airs rifle can out perform a 22 rimfire. I can hold a five group at ten yards under 3/8 of an inch and at thirty yard a ground that can be covered by a dime. There are air rifles that can hold a five group at 100 yards that a quarter could cover. I personally do not know that many 22 rimfires that could match these stats (unless you were shooting a tournament gun, then I would say it could be a close one). Lewis and Clark carried a 46 caliber air rifle that held 22 round balls, look up the NRA Museum, then search the Lewis and Clark air rifle. Turkey hunting with a air rifle would be very challenging, I feel it would take more skills to harvest a turkey than a shotgun. I have hunted turkeys for a long time, I even have one in the record books. I even guided other turkey hunters. I feel turkey hunting with a air rifle would be just exciting as using a stick bow. There several states that currently permit air rifles in turkey season with positive results. Deer hunting with an air rifle specially in a urban area would be the best tool to use. Less noise, just as accrurate as a center fire at close range. There are many videos on YouTube showing deer hunting with air rifles. The air rifle will not scare to game as a firearm does. Are air guns for everybody? NO most people does not have the patience to be able to develope the skills to use a springer air rifle, they MUST be shot like a military rifle. In other words you can not just pick one up (springer) and think you will be able to shoot a nice group. How about providing a list of air rifles (including cost) that can "out perform" most .22 rifles @ 50 yards or consistently shoot a five shot group @ 100 yards that can be covered with a quarter. To each their own and I'm glad you enjoy your air guns, but as I said...unless I have no other choice...I'll pass. |
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Post by airgun on Apr 27, 2016 14:08:51 GMT -5
You can look at Airguns of Arizona for guns and costs. Please go to YouTube and look at Airguns shooting field targets.
I am wanting to talk about Airguns and turkey hunting in Indiana.
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Post by greghopper on Apr 27, 2016 14:57:51 GMT -5
You can look at Airguns of Arizona for guns and costs. Please go to YouTube and look at Airguns shooting field targets. I am wanting to talk about Airguns and turkey hunting in Indiana. Go here and give your input and Ideas.... You never know! goo.gl/lrprKL |
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Post by airgun on Apr 27, 2016 15:36:13 GMT -5
Thanks Greg for the link.
I have already done this. I have even invited the state's turkey bio. to go to the gun range and to shoot my airrifle to see its capabilities and to understand its challenges. Education is a power tool and wise decisions are the results.
I also hunt deer with a flintlock and a blackpowder hand gun. What can I say but I like a challenge.
Let's face it only a hand few of hunters will be willing to take a airrifle to the field, so there will be no impact to the turkey flocks.
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Post by moose1am on Apr 27, 2016 16:54:12 GMT -5
I thought about getting a Pre-charged type larger caliber air gun to hunt predators with in the city limits or in the suburbs where the noise would not attract as much attention as an AR15 5.56 Rifle.
There are some nice air guns for sale out there that shoot well and can kill larger game without the excessive noise of a firearm. But from what I've seen they are not cheap.
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Post by airgun on Apr 27, 2016 17:00:17 GMT -5
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Post by airgun on Apr 27, 2016 17:24:55 GMT -5
Moose the guns are not bad in price it's all of the extra equipment that goes with it that's adds up. That's the main reason why I went to a "springer" plus it's a harder gun to shoot because of the movement of the spring. Remember air rifles will destroy a standard scope (they need to made for airrifles). I am very impressed with "CPC" for the accuracy in distance, like 100 yard shots. My springer is very accrurate from 10 - 50 yards, remember only one BIG spring pushes the air needed with one single cocking. Temperature and air pressure makes a big difference eac time you shoot or to zero in the guns.
Do your research before you purchase one. I spent atleast six months looking on line and sending email and calling companies before I purchased one. I just wish we had dealer close to be able to touch and shot before purchasing one. I believe the nearest dealer is in northern Ohio. I have only had mine for alittle one month and I am still learning everytime I shoot it. Just Sunday I was able to shot a wood boring bee at 12 yards in the air with one shot (I had to wait ten minutes to get the shot I wanted). I could not do that with any of my rimfires, nor would I take the shot because of the distant the bullet could travel.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Apr 27, 2016 18:40:30 GMT -5
I never see any airgun-purposed scopes anywhere.. I guess I'm looking in the wrong place?
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Post by airgun on Apr 27, 2016 19:40:46 GMT -5
There are many air rifle scopes. I have a Hawke AirMax 9-12 X 40 see link (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/). When I was looking at scopes all dealers said their scopes would work, however when pushed on warranty information they would change their tune. The United Kingdom is leading the way on air rifles and scopes and of course competitions. However the air rifles made in the USA have greater "FPS" knockdown power. Air rifle scopes can be very cheap or cost as much as sky is the limit. I opted to use a range finding scope,I just wish that I had a side mounted wheel instead of in front of the scope for range finding. What type of airrifle do you have?
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Apr 27, 2016 20:13:08 GMT -5
I just have a .177 Gamo for backyard squirrels. I have a cheap 3x9 on it now, it's held up so far. May have to replace it in the future.
The only issue I see with legalizing airguns for turkey is deciding where it stops. I mean if an airgun is legal, why not a rimfire? And I know centerfire rifles are legal in a few states, but I don't see that as a road most Hoosiers will want to go down.
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Post by span870 on Apr 27, 2016 20:30:19 GMT -5
I just have a .177 Gamo for backyard squirrels. I have a cheap 3x9 on it now, it's held up so far. May have to replace it in the future. The only issue I see with legalizing airguns for turkey is deciding where it stops. I mean if an airgun is legal, why not a rimfire? And I know centerfire rifles are legal in a few states, but I don't see that as a road most Hoosiers will want to go down. Fall turkey in Pennsylvania is when the 223 and the 22 hornets come out. Been doing it like that for years. I agree though, the backlash with hpr's for deer I couldn't imagine what works happen if that one was brought up. |
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Post by airgun on Apr 27, 2016 20:38:30 GMT -5
Lawrence, I agree with you where does it stop. However I also faced the same issue many years ago when I proposed using a muzzleloader pistol for deer hunting. The same agreement will apply here with airrifles. How many deer hunters do you know that hunts with muzzlloading handguns (other than me)? Only the person who is bored of hunting and shooting turkeys with a shotgun and are wanting to challenge themself will be the one wanting to do this. Let's face it it will take more patience to wait until the turkey is very close and then they will have to wait until the shot is perfect. If they were to miss they would need to recock a "springer" to reload without scaring the bird. Do you think the everage turkey hunter would willing to do this to harvest a turkey? So the impact to the turkey flocks would be extremely low or not at all. Hence inhancing the personal hunting experience for a limited few.
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Post by drs on Apr 28, 2016 4:32:17 GMT -5
Airgun, I harvested my very first Squirrel & Rabbit using a .20 Sheridan Blue Streak, at age 14.
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Post by airgun on Apr 28, 2016 6:51:39 GMT -5
Drs do you,remember the excitement you had harvesting them? Just imagine that air gun on steroids, that is the power of the air rifles today. The air rifle that I shoot will bury a pellet into a 4 X 4 post at seventy yards that you would have to dig out. So harvesting a turkey is not a problem with today's air guns. The flocks are heathy enough for the extra little pressure (I do not believe DNR could measure it) currently in the fall hunters are permitted to harvest hens which reduces the flocks. Here is a couple of videos to watch. Both of these Airguns are "spingers" and under level cocking with fixed barrels. These guns are similar to mine, but mine is a 22 caliber. Europe is leading the way in airrifles, their gun controls laws on firearms forced them into airrifles.They have Airguns competitions like the USA NRA. I just wish we here in Indiana had a few airrifle competitions. youtu.be/fxySsZidE0wyoutu.be/TBgs6GAgXwE |
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Post by drs on Apr 28, 2016 7:45:40 GMT -5
Drs do you,remember the excitement you had harvesting them? Just imagine that air gun on steroids, that is the power of the air rifles today. The air rifle that I shoot will bury a pellet into a 4 X 4 post at seventy yards that you would have to dig out. So harvesting a turkey is not a problem with today's air guns. The flocks are heathy enough for the extra little pressure (I do not believe DNR could measure it) currently in the fall hunters are permitted to harvest hens which reduces the flocks. Here is a couple of videos to watch. Both of these Airguns are "spingers" and under level cocking with fixed barrels. These guns are similar to mine, but mine is a 22 caliber. Europe is leading the way in airrifles, their gun controls laws on firearms forced them into airrifles.They have Airguns competitions like the USA NRA. I just wish we here in Indiana had a few airrifle competitions. youtu.be/fxySsZidE0wyoutu.be/TBgs6GAgXwEYes, I remember the excitement of bagging those two game animals with my Sheridan Blue Streak, at age 14. But the excitement came from the actual harvest; as I was not permitted to use a "real" cartridge firing firearm at 14 years of age. So I just used my pellet rifle until I was allowed (by my Parents) to own and use a real rifle or shotgun at age 15, but with adult supervision by hunting with my Grandfather or Father. After I got my Driver's Licenses I was able to hunt on my own, at age 16. I've read several articles on the use of ultra powered air rifles capable of taking Deer sized game; and it was interesting. However, one should realize that these "Big Game" air rifles are also large & heavy plus being on the cumbersome side for average hunting. Myself, If I want to use a rifle other than our modern cartridge firing rifles; I'd go with a Muzzle Loader instead of one of those Air Rifles. |
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