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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 23:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by duff on Mar 6, 2016 8:01:46 GMT -5
I know market hunting made it's mark, but one thing that is left out of the conversation is the rapid change of habitat that came with people moving west.
Our state is a prime example. It was clear cut top to bottom. If the hills would have sustained farming like Tipton County area does what would our present landscape look like. Take any of the prime hunting counties. They either have swamps, lakes or rivers that provide habitat or enough hills to limit the land use.
Now we throw in roads, houses in every wood lot and shopping centers...eventually we will see the demise of native animals and there won't be any market hunters to blame....they will just blame hunters.
The best conservation tool I see is revitalizing the old towns, not letting a super walmart go build another bigger store just outside of town so they can avoid taxes and get 100 more parking spaces.
Not building new roads because it saves 15 minutes between indy and Evansville.
None of that is likely to happen, and half of me is ok with that as I enjoy free market ideas and prosperity. But I have seen too much loss in my time here to turn a blind eye to the real problem.
So really it is cutting 500 trees in siberia that are going into a new warehouse that sits in a field I used to goose hunt in, that is selling the lumber to a new house that sits in a woodlot that you used to hunt.
Ok I hit my 6 month word count.
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Post by throbak on Mar 6, 2016 8:42:03 GMT -5
The problem is putting value that has dollar signs on our resources,, Every Conservation issue we are having Is Connected to A Business of some sorts . Exploiting it
Deer hunting is being Absolutely destroyed because of the Profits made from an originally Natural Resource . Catfishing is being destroyed as we speak because someone has found a way to exploit them ( PAY Lakes ) Paddlefish are soon to be in trouble Due to the carp I'll bet you !!
Let's be proactive on these issues Not starting all over like with deer and turkey We have let deer farms in and Wait and see we will regret that as sportsmen
CWD is real the Management plans are the same when found .. In every state ,,Depopulation,, The Source of CWD is Consistent in its origin
Rant over here too !!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 10:05:01 GMT -5
You guys both make some great points.
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Post by esshup on Mar 6, 2016 11:37:10 GMT -5
Meta, in 1880, the Grand Kankakee Marsh was approximately a million acres. In the late 1800's they started channelizing the march to make farm ground. Now the marsh is only barely a shadow of it's former self. I have a book that was published in the late 1800's that is on the History of Starke County, and it gives great details on how the marsh was drained and channelized. To read the book you have to get yourself in the mindset that you are reading it when you are in the late 1890's or very early 1900's. The Marsh furnished a LOT of meat for Chicago and the surrounding cities during the market hunting days, ice for iceboxes and a lot of furs too. Now the majority of that is replaced by farming. How many 10's of million of animals and birds were displaced by removing the water? www.thekankakeeriver.com/kankakee02.htmlWhen you really think about it, it boggles the mind to realize that this is only one instance of how man has changed the resources of this country. Now think of how many other places were like that but haven't been documented to that extent. |
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Post by duff on Mar 6, 2016 12:09:14 GMT -5
Prime example of how the market hunting is easily blamed for loss of migratiry birds and fur. Good crops are important, but so is the habitat that was lost.
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Post by steiny on Mar 7, 2016 7:55:59 GMT -5
Everyone likes to gripe about this habitat loss and destruction, but few are willing to spend their own time and money to do anything about it. Best thing you can do is get a piece of ground and personally improve the habitat for wildlife. If you can't afford a farm, create a little mini-wildlife habitat in your yard, clean up a public waterway, pick up trash on the roadside, work with an environmental group on projects, plant trees, build a water source, etc., etc.
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Post by duff on Mar 7, 2016 18:49:44 GMT -5
Everyone likes to gripe about this habitat loss and destruction, but few are willing to spend their own time and money to do anything about it. Best thing you can do is get a piece of ground and personally improve the habitat for wildlife. If you can't afford a farm, create a little mini-wildlife habitat in your yard, clean up a public waterway, pick up trash on the roadside, work with an environmental group on projects, plant trees, build a water source, etc., etc. I don't have a lot but my sli e of 8 acre heaven is managed for a dmall garden and the rest for small game. Try to eradicate my invasives and promote dirverse natives. Really growing legs with me. At work...I am an environmental guy, I cover all the rainbow and butterfly stuff. What a gig :-) |
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