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Jan 21, 2016 13:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by onebentarrow on Jan 21, 2016 13:22:08 GMT -5
I asked him if it was hard on the plastic sabots, but he wasn't certain other then he recommend the use of High Pressure sabots. I guess they are a bit heavier.[/quote]
The high pressure sabots are not heavier they are built stronger because the smokeless powder produces higher heat and pressure than black powder. The high pressure will cause other sabots to fail buy letting gas flow around and thru them with a huge loss in accuracy and some times bullets tumbeling. I had one kind of sabot that every time I shot it it would get a hole punched in the base the size of a pincel and the bullet would exit the gun befor the sabot.
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 21, 2016 13:58:33 GMT -5
drs - Well, let's start by setting the picture. My first inline was a 1-20" twist Scout rifle. I had to use sabots as I could not get any conical lead bullets to group with that fast rifling. I found the T/C Break-O-Way sabots and shot them for many years in several different muzzleloaders (the downfall of working in a muzzleloading-only gun shop was having to have the new model when it comes out; good for business though). They did great with 90 grains FFg Goex. When Triple Seven came out I tried it with the Break-O-Ways and it would shred the wool donut and the bullet and sabot halves would get spit out willy nilly. Step up to the one-piece sabot and all was well again. Along comes magnum charges of powder and step up to magnum sabots. Now smokeless ... better sabot material again along with some of the tried and true magnum sabots.
The only real problem that you run into with smokeless and sabots is "blowing up" the sabot by too much pressure or shooting with barrel temps that are too high. Maybe the sabot gets softer when in the hot barrel and fails easier than if in a cold barrel??? That is my assumption anyway. When the sabot gives way, the barrel needs to be cleaned out VERY good to get your accuracy back. I normally let my Encore smokeless cool for 15 minutes between shots. But it does not heat up fast enough that you cannot get off two quick shots accurately and without issue. The reason that I had the Remington action smokeless built is so that I could safely shoot sabotless and not worry about waiting that long between shots while at the range like I would if shooting sabots.
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 21, 2016 14:24:04 GMT -5
I asked him if it was hard on the plastic sabots, but he wasn't certain other then he recommend the use of High Pressure sabots. I guess they are a bit heavier. The high pressure sabots are not heavier they are built stronger because the smokeless powder produces higher heat and pressure than black powder. The high pressure will cause other sabots to fail buy letting gas flow around and thru them with a huge loss in accuracy and some times bullets tumbeling. I had one kind of sabot that every time I shot it it would get a hole punched in the base the size of a pincel and the bullet would exit the gun befor the sabot. You experimented with the .45x.357 sabots, too? I got those results when I tried them. Would have loved to be shooting the .358 FTX out of that Encore at smokeless speeds! Would have been like a .358 WSSM front-stuffer.
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Post by onebentarrow on Jan 21, 2016 15:04:16 GMT -5
I asked him if it was hard on the plastic sabots, but he wasn't certain other then he recommend the use of High Pressure sabots. I guess they are a bit heavier. The high pressure sabots are not heavier they are built stronger because the smokeless powder produces higher heat and pressure than black powder. The high pressure will cause other sabots to fail buy letting gas flow around and thru them with a huge loss in accuracy and some times bullets tumbeling. I had one kind of sabot that every time I shot it it would get a hole punched in the base the size of a pincel and the bullet would exit the gun befor the sabot. You experimented with the .45x.357 sabots, too? 8-) I got those results when I tried them. Would have loved to be shooting the .358 FTX out of that Encore at smokeless speeds! Would have been like a .358 WSSM front-stuffer. I experimented with a lot of stuff. At the time it was a 50x40 I had the trouble with. I think it was dark green. I only had a 50 at that time. Best I found for that 50 was a barns 250 gr and 46 gr 5744. That gun would not,repeat would not shoot a 300 gr anything but with the 250 barns it shot inch groups at 100 yds at aprox 2400fps
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 21, 2016 15:13:36 GMT -5
50x40 would be just like the 45x357. Too much plastic between bullet and bore.
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Jan 22, 2016 0:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 22, 2016 0:47:32 GMT -5
Thanks guys!
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Jan 22, 2016 10:56:33 GMT -5
Post by esshup on Jan 22, 2016 10:56:33 GMT -5
I am using either the hornady SST 250 grain in my .50 or the Barnes 195g flat base .40 cal in my .45 cal. A while ago I found a bunch of T/C 250 Blem Shockwaves and bought 500 of them IIRC.
I don't think you'd like the price of the Barnes - looking at the price on the box, when you figure in shipping they are over $1 each.
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Jan 22, 2016 19:46:29 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 22, 2016 19:46:29 GMT -5
I am using either the hornady SST 250 grain in my .50 or the Barnes 195g flat base .40 cal in my .45 cal. A while ago I found a bunch of T/C 250 Blem Shockwaves and bought 500 of them IIRC. I don't think you'd like the price of the Barnes - looking at the price on the box, when you figure in shipping they are over $1 each. you are right there! 1$ wowser right now I'm around 50 cents powder and bullets
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Post by esshup on Jan 23, 2016 2:23:40 GMT -5
I am using either the hornady SST 250 grain in my .50 or the Barnes 195g flat base .40 cal in my .45 cal. A while ago I found a bunch of T/C 250 Blem Shockwaves and bought 500 of them IIRC. I don't think you'd like the price of the Barnes - looking at the price on the box, when you figure in shipping they are over $1 each. you are right there! 1$ wowser right now I'm around 50 cents powder and bullets I forget what the .45 cal blue Harvestor Sabots cost, the powder? I'm still working on a pound that was bought years ago. Say $20/lb. The powder costs $0.20/squeeze of the trigger. Primers? I use CCI 209M and those were bought probably 10 years ago.
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