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Jan 14, 2016 20:40:52 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 14, 2016 20:40:52 GMT -5
I recently purchased some bullets at the walmarts they are thompson center xtp mag express sabots. I have been wanting to try a new round in my muzzleloader, I was shooting the maxi-bullets and they kill deer pretty dead but I wanted a copper bullet and I needed to buy bullets for it anyway and these were on clearance and cheaper than my maxibullets and I figured at 7$ for 30rds I'd give them a shot. Anyone have any experience?
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Post by drs on Jan 15, 2016 5:44:00 GMT -5
I recently purchased some bullets at the walmarts they are thompson center xtp mag express sabots. I have been wanting to try a new round in my muzzleloader, I was shooting the maxi-bullets and they kill deer pretty dead but I wanted a copper bullet and I needed to buy bullets for it anyway and these were on clearance and cheaper than my maxibullets and I figured at 7$ for 30rds I'd give them a shot. Anyone have any experience? I use Thompson/Center Magnum Express Sabots in my Black Diamond. My load is: 90.0 grains (Volume) of FFG Triple 7 behind a .452" Hornady 250 grain XTP bullet. Accuracy is very consistent. These Sabots are far more accurate than any maxi-ball or maxi-hunter bullets.
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Jan 15, 2016 6:24:58 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 15, 2016 6:24:58 GMT -5
I'm going to push mine with 2 triple seven or pyrodex pellets (bought some pyrodex pellets to try) I've been considering powder and I'm sure it is more reliable or consistent but pellets are very easy to use and handle
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Post by drs on Jan 15, 2016 7:00:18 GMT -5
I'm going to push mine with 2 triple seven or pyrodex pellets (bought some pyrodex pellets to try) I've been considering powder and I'm sure it is more reliable or consistent but pellets are very easy to use and handle I never had any luck, in the accuracy department, using either triple 7 or pyrodex pellets. Using loads over 90.0 grains the groups open-up.
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Jan 15, 2016 7:02:18 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 15, 2016 7:02:18 GMT -5
I'm going to push mine with 2 triple seven or pyrodex pellets (bought some pyrodex pellets to try) I've been considering powder and I'm sure it is more reliable or consistent but pellets are very easy to use and handle I never had any luck, in the accuracy department, using either triple 7 or pyrodex pellets. Using loads over 90.0 grains the groups open-up. well I was shooting 2 inch or better groups with the maxibullets and triple seven pellets with open sights and no rest at 50yds those are deer killing groups at least
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Jan 15, 2016 7:05:21 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 15, 2016 7:05:21 GMT -5
But part of the reason I am switching to these bullets and possibly powder is because I want to punch holes accurately at 200yds or so
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Jan 15, 2016 7:07:34 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 15, 2016 7:07:34 GMT -5
I haven't looked but I assume you sabot the round and then load it correct? as one whole piece?
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Jan 15, 2016 7:10:23 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 15, 2016 7:10:23 GMT -5
Oh and by the way thanks for the input!
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Jan 15, 2016 7:22:21 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 15, 2016 7:22:21 GMT -5
I never had any luck, in the accuracy department, using either triple 7 or pyrodex pellets. Using loads over 90.0 grains the groups open-up. well I was shooting 2 inch or better groups with the maxibullets and triple seven pellets with open sights and no rest at 50yds those are deer killing groups at least Guess all rifles shoot differently in terms of the type of powder/bullets used.
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Jan 15, 2016 7:45:43 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 15, 2016 7:45:43 GMT -5
well I was shooting 2 inch or better groups with the maxibullets and triple seven pellets with open sights and no rest at 50yds those are deer killing groups at least Guess all rifles shoot differently in terms of the type of powder/bullets used. yeah I think I just got lucky bit I picked a setup of products that were "tried and true" two 777 pellets and 1 maxibullet but as stated before the reason for my transition is I know that my setup is good at the range I'm currently shooting the type of input you are giving me is what I need to get me to the 200+ yard range
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Jan 15, 2016 9:30:26 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 15, 2016 9:30:26 GMT -5
Guess all rifles shoot differently in terms of the type of powder/bullets used. yeah I think I just got lucky bit I picked a setup of products that were "tried and true" two 777 pellets and 1 maxibullet but as stated before the reason for my transition is I know that my setup is good at the range I'm currently shooting the type of input you are giving me is what I need to get me to the 200+ yard range The longest M/L shot I made on a Deer was 90 yards. Don't think I would go for a 200 yard + shot with a M/L.
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Jan 15, 2016 10:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 15, 2016 10:16:12 GMT -5
yeah I think I just got lucky bit I picked a setup of products that were "tried and true" two 777 pellets and 1 maxibullet but as stated before the reason for my transition is I know that my setup is good at the range I'm currently shooting the type of input you are giving me is what I need to get me to the 200+ yard range The longest M/L shot I made on a Deer was 90 yards. Don't think I would go for a 200 yard + shot with a M/L. longest shot I've ever made on a deer is 70 yds with a shotgun usually I shoot well within bow range even but... I want to try to make it a little more fun and I'm not into antlers so I figure maybe taking my shot distance out a little further may help plus there is a spot that I think is about 190yds where I've seen deer in the past that I'd like to learn my capabilities out that far for
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Post by drs on Jan 15, 2016 10:30:04 GMT -5
The longest M/L shot I made on a Deer was 90 yards. Don't think I would go for a 200 yard + shot with a M/L. longest shot I've ever made on a deer is 70 yds with a shotgun usually I shoot well within bow range even but... I want to try to make it a little more fun and I'm not into antlers so I figure maybe taking my shot distance out a little further may help plus there is a spot that I think is about 190yds where I've seen deer in the past that I'd like to learn my capabilities out that far for My longest shot on a Western Kentucky Deer was 378 yards, back in 1996. Used my Winchester Model 70 Feather weight in 7 X 57 mm. Most of my shots are < 100 yards. I bagged this past season Deer @ 175 yards using my .270.
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Jan 16, 2016 7:18:53 GMT -5
Post by nfalls116 on Jan 16, 2016 7:18:53 GMT -5
378 is a long shot!
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Jan 16, 2016 8:04:08 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 16, 2016 8:04:08 GMT -5
YES!! Very long!! I don'r really like to make that long of shot. I did have to hold over a bit and the shot ended up in the heart/lung area. The Deer dropped in its tracks. I used a 140 grain Speer Brand SPT bullet (.284"). Made a long range (300 yard) shot on a Mule Deer Buck once in Colorado and that was a neck shot. I used my .30-06 to bag that Deer.
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 21, 2016 10:03:30 GMT -5
I haven't looked but I assume you sabot the round and then load it correct? as one whole piece? Assemble the bullet into the sabot and poke down after the pellets. Push till you feel contact with the pellets, but don't crush the pellets. If you crush one, accuracy will suffer.
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 21, 2016 10:18:36 GMT -5
yeah I think I just got lucky bit I picked a setup of products that were "tried and true" two 777 pellets and 1 maxibullet but as stated before the reason for my transition is I know that my setup is good at the range I'm currently shooting the type of input you are giving me is what I need to get me to the 200+ yard range The longest M/L shot I made on a Deer was 90 yards. Don't think I would go for a 200 yard + shot with a M/L. There are a few muzzleloaders that I have shot at 200 yards that I would have not hesitated taking a shot on a deer. I hopefully own two right now, but I have not had them stretched out on the range yet to verify. I remember back when I was pretty new in muzzleloaders and some guy yelled and cussed me over a campfire when he heard that I was sighting in my T/C Thunderhawk for 100 yards. Something about muzzleloaders weren't that accurate and I shouldn't be shooting over 40 to 50 yards at a deer. Back then that really hurt. Now I realize that some people just don't know what they are talking about and like to shoot off their mouth anyway.
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Jan 21, 2016 10:50:09 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 21, 2016 10:50:09 GMT -5
The longest M/L shot I made on a Deer was 90 yards. Don't think I would go for a 200 yard + shot with a M/L. There are a few muzzleloaders that I have shot at 200 yards that I would have not hesitated taking a shot on a deer. I hopefully own two right now, but I have not had them stretched out on the range yet to verify. I remember back when I was pretty new in muzzleloaders and some guy yelled and cussed me over a campfire when he heard that I was sighting in my T/C Thunderhawk for 100 yards. Something about muzzleloaders weren't that accurate and I shouldn't be shooting over 40 to 50 yards at a deer. Back then that really hurt. Now I realize that some people just don't know what they are talking about and like to shoot off their mouth anyway. Jason, I mounted a scope on my M/L as my eyesight isn't as good as when I was 40 years old. Did have a peep sight for several years, but when I missed a nice Doe a couple years ago. I decided to mount a scope on my M/L. This should also extend the range too. Your Smokeless powder M/L sounds like the ticket for bagging Deer @ longer ranges.
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Jan 21, 2016 11:03:07 GMT -5
Post by omegahunter on Jan 21, 2016 11:03:07 GMT -5
Only one that I have not had a scope on is the old Renegade. All the rest I have ever had were scoped.
When it warms up I want to get the new Remington smokeless out and give it a run down. The smokeless Encore will do 1/2" at 100 yards, but I have not had the chance (or need) to check it farther out. I need to just to see what it will do.
They only bad thing about the smokeless is that you can put so much velocity to them that those close shots can get very messy. I plan to stick with Hornady or Barnes monolithic copper bullets for that very reason. Most all of my shots can be had between 30-60 yards right now. But I know I won't be hunting this current property forever either. The property that I hunted before (it is now a coal mine), I was set up for 25-160 yards. Shot a few between 130-160, but most were under 80 yards.
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Jan 21, 2016 12:49:42 GMT -5
Post by drs on Jan 21, 2016 12:49:42 GMT -5
Only one that I have not had a scope on is the old Renegade. All the rest I have ever had were scoped. When it warms up I want to get the new Remington smokeless out and give it a run down. The smokeless Encore will do 1/2" at 100 yards, but I have not had the chance (or need) to check it farther out. I need to just to see what it will do. They only bad thing about the smokeless is that you can put so much velocity to them that those close shots can get very messy. I plan to stick with Hornady or Barnes monolithic copper bullets for that very reason. Most all of my shots can be had between 30-60 yards right now. But I know I won't be hunting this current property forever either. The property that I hunted before (it is now a coal mine), I was set up for 25-160 yards. Shot a few between 130-160, but most were under 80 yards. My very first Muzzle loader was a .54 Cal. T/C Renegade. Used both "Maxi-balls" & "Maxi-Hunter" bullets along with 105 grains of FFG Black Powder. Bagged four Deer with that Renegade until I traded it for a .50 Cal. Knight Model 85 Inline; where I used sabots with .452" Sierra 250 grain Hollow Soft points + 90 grains of R.S. Pyrodex. Took my first Deer, with the knight, back in 1990 on private property, located east of Oakland City. Wished I kept it now as it was accurate and I had a scope mounted on it with detachable rings, which made it easier to clean. Jason, is the use of smokeless powder in a M/L, designed to use smokeless powder, hard on plastic sabots? While living in Evansville, I was at one the gun stores there and someone was buying a Savage smokeless powder M/L. The salesman said that SR-4759 was a good powder to use in these smokeless powder rifles. I asked him if it was hard on the plastic sabots, but he wasn't certain other then he recommend the use of High Pressure sabots. I guess they are a bit heavier.
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