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Post by trapperdave on Nov 16, 2015 15:19:28 GMT -5
Look in your neighbors freezer. 70,000 deer checked in so far...
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Post by swilk on Nov 16, 2015 15:23:45 GMT -5
And likely 1/2 again that many with a hole in them that may or may not live.
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Post by span870 on Nov 16, 2015 15:35:06 GMT -5
And likely 1/2 again that many with a hole in them that may or may not live. Was thinking the same thing earlier but for a different reason. I see alot of guys selling extremely low end crossbows. Are these things even capable of killing deer? I've always wondered how many do die of bad shots. I know two guys that hunt where I used to. No kidding they were good for at least one "double lung" hit that they trailed for a "mile" and couldn't find. It amazes me how many guys make bad shots on deer multiple times a year or year after year. I understand the "if you hunt long enough" it'll happen crowd but come on. Thirty years I've hit 2 deer I never found. Both were hit above the spine and both lived. One or two each year isn't an accident, you have a problem. |
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Post by trapperdave on Nov 16, 2015 15:38:22 GMT -5
Quite capable. I kill deer with a selfbow and stone traveling may be 150 fps. You don't need arrows and bolts at 400 fps to kill a deer...just to sell more bows Its not the equipment, its the hunter that makes bad hits.......and mechanical heads  |
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 16, 2015 15:43:08 GMT -5
And likely 1/2 again that many with a hole in them that may or may not live. Was thinking the same thing earlier but for a different reason. I see alot of guys selling extremely low end crossbows. Are these things even capable of killing deer? I've always wondered how many do die of bad shots. I know two guys that hunt where I used to. No kidding they were good for at least one "double lung" hit that they trailed for a "mile" and couldn't find. It amazes me how many guys make bad shots on deer multiple times a year or year after year. I understand the "if you hunt long enough" it'll happen crowd but come on. Thirty years I've hit 2 deer I never found. Both were hit above the spine and both lived. One or two each year isn't an accident, you have a problem. Indiana requirement for crossbows is 125 pound pull minimum. The low end Jaguars sold by Rural King, among others, are very capable of killing deer with a proper angle, proper placement and distance. Hopefully these folks buying those haven't read Don's column that "crossbows are 100 yard killing machines.." and are taking good close up shots. Contrary to what some folks say they are still archery equipment and not crossGUNS.. Because of the shear volume of hunters and deer shot at I'd venture a guess that more deer are wounded by guns than archery equipment. Just my opinion.. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 16, 2015 15:46:26 GMT -5
Quite capable. I kill deer with a selfbow and stone traveling may be 150 fps. You don't need arrows and bolts at 400 fps to kill a deer...just to sell more bows Its not the equipment, its the hunter that makes bad hits.......and mechanical heads Yeah, those mechanicals are worthless..  NAP Spitfire entrance hole...  |
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Post by span870 on Nov 16, 2015 15:46:53 GMT -5
Yeah, just didn't know. Not up on crossbow regs. The ones they sell at rural king are the ones I was talking about. Didn't know if they were like the kids bows you see being sold that are okay for targets but not a deer weapon. I'd assume those at rural king are on the low end of the spectrum of what should be used.
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Post by swilk on Nov 16, 2015 15:48:31 GMT -5
In that 30 years how many have you killed. Just curious. 100? More? Less?
Ive hunted for about 25 years or so and killed somewhere north of 100 deer. I have lost a few .... one this year. One back in 2009. More when I was younger. Not exactly sure how many but its more than 2.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 16, 2015 15:52:38 GMT -5
Yeah, just didn't know. Not up on crossbow regs. The ones they sell at rural king are the ones I was talking about. Didn't know if they were like the kids bows you see being sold that are okay for targets but not a deer weapon. I'd assume those at rural king are on the low end of the spectrum of what should be used. They are on the EXTREME low end of the spectrum. I advise against them every time a newbie asks about them. I value my face and hands too much to put them in close proximity of 125 pounds of stored energy that was mass produced in China. There are deer being killed with them daily somewhere.. |
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Post by span870 on Nov 16, 2015 15:54:28 GMT -5
The first 20 years, as many as I seen. At least 4 to six a year. The next 5 maybe two a year, the last 5 I was lucky if I took one a year.
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Post by swilk on Nov 16, 2015 15:57:19 GMT -5
I would say you are an anomaly .... less than a 2% failure to recover rate. I bet not one 500 guys who have killed 100 deer with a bow duplicate that.
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Post by span870 on Nov 16, 2015 16:03:57 GMT -5
They weren't all bow. Majority were but there are a few gun scattered in there. Of the two I lost one was a bow and one slug.
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Post by trapperdave on Nov 16, 2015 16:32:07 GMT -5
Quite capable. I kill deer with a selfbow and stone traveling may be 150 fps. You don't need arrows and bolts at 400 fps to kill a deer...just to sell more bows Its not the equipment, its the hunter that makes bad hits.......and mechanical heads Yeah, those mechanicals are worthless.. NAP Spitfire entrance hole... I used to like them too |
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Post by greghopper on Nov 16, 2015 16:39:56 GMT -5
I would think Road kills are higher count then BAD shots ... IMO
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Post by duff on Nov 16, 2015 16:45:55 GMT -5
What's the point of these types of discussions? It is part of life and hunting. We don't have to like it but it will happen to the best of us and the worst no matter how much we talk about it.
Should we expect proficiency tests and limit shot distances. I don't like that idea.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 16, 2015 19:56:22 GMT -5
Quite capable. I kill deer with a selfbow and stone traveling may be 150 fps. You don't need arrows and bolts at 400 fps to kill a deer...just to sell more bows Its not the equipment, its the hunter that makes bad hits.......and mechanical heads Yeah, those mechanicals are worthless.. NAP Spitfire entrance hole... yup.. my Rages suck too..  Not the head, the placement... seen some crazy stuff deer do while the arrow is in the air... |
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 17, 2015 6:11:41 GMT -5
A co-worker received a text last week from someone he knows saying that they just shot a buck at 65 yards with a crossbow. They never found it...
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Post by 76chevy on Nov 17, 2015 6:19:44 GMT -5
shaking my head. Why would anyone ever take this shot with a crossbow?  |
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Post by span870 on Nov 17, 2015 7:54:41 GMT -5
Same reason someone takes a 200 yard shot with a shotgun. Capable yes. How many can do it consistently?
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Post by tynimiller on Nov 17, 2015 9:20:01 GMT -5
I posted a story that touched on proficiency. I've long gone away from my hate of the firearms season, however I do strongly advise anyone seeking to deer hunt whatever weapon they choose to take they need to be proficient with it! That doesn't mean throw a slug or two through the barrel at 25 yards. No that means practice that 140 yard shot you may take, both with a leaned rest or free standing if you think that is a shot you may take.
I personally cannot find it in myself to commend a shot (can congratulate the harvest) that was taken as a pray more or less or a let's see if I can do it type thing...again though this goes down to hunter education, teachings typically handed down by a mentor of somekind....sadly we have some terrible mentors out there.
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