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Post by bart1533 on Nov 11, 2015 18:38:54 GMT -5
Yes sir..u did what needed to be done..
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 11, 2015 19:00:13 GMT -5
Right or wrong initially, children will always defend their parents for the most part. In time it sounds that this young man just needs a good role model. In turn I think you probably did more than the right thing. Who knows why he refused a license but it is your place and decision. The youth in time probably will realize the wrong in the above situation and just keep being a positive role model. From your post it obviously shows you are for many youth. Supposition on my part.. So called "dead beat dads" will not be issued a license to hunt or fish. That is why they ask for the Social Security number. If he is on that "dead beat dad" list he could be denied a license. www.in.gov/ai/appfiles/dnr-license/
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Post by duff on Nov 11, 2015 19:17:59 GMT -5
Absolutely did the right thing.
I had a very good friend go waterfowl hunting with me. We discussed the license requirements, he said no problem. After we set decoys he told me he didn't have his tags. We packed up and headed home. He was mad. I told him he put me and my equipment at risk, wasted my day and we can't hunt until he got the right tags.
If someone was to try to convince me they could poach on my land...um nope.
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Post by beermaker on Nov 11, 2015 19:45:19 GMT -5
An instance like this is precisely why those of use who do it right face and ever increasing difficulty when it comes to access to private land. What a clown!
Yes, you did the right thing. On the other hand, you could have tipped the local CO that an unlicensed hunter was trespassing. I think that when you uninvited him, he would have officially become a trespasser? Bad for the kid no matter what.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Nov 11, 2015 19:49:50 GMT -5
What Kinda jerk swings on a 6 2" 270 pound man who just offered his quad and property to hunt on? Geez , just follow the land owners wishes. This isn't hard. Glad you knocked him down a level. Feel bad for the kid caught in the middle. Hopefully he comes around and sees his dad is wrong.
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Post by esshup on Nov 11, 2015 20:43:48 GMT -5
You absolutely did the right thing. Glad the kid wasn't there to witness it, but I'm sure his dad gave him HIS side of the story. You set the management rules on your land and if folks don't agree with it - tough, get on down the road. No way should anyone allow any game law breakers on their land. The dad just messed his and the kid's nest. Hopefully the kid will realize what he had and will get his moral compass straight. You did good. Thanks I couldn't have said it any better. You were in the right.
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Post by robinhood33 on Nov 11, 2015 21:00:29 GMT -5
Wow that is insane. Tried to fight you on your own property? You're a better man than me by not beating him unconscious. I think I would've been seein red in that situation. Sounds like he was was trying to play alpha male and didn't want you telling him what to do in front of his son. Most likely attempting to compensate for other problems in their relationship by showing "no one tells him what to do". You have to think of the kid as a horse with blinders on. He only knows his dad's side of the story and is going to be easily manipulated. In my opinion, best to cut ties with the kid in order to avoid the whole situation. He is benefiting a lot more than you from your deal. Good hunting land is a lot more expensive to find than finding another 14 year old to help you out. Once he gets a little older he should realiIze his mistake and come back and apologize if your relationship meant anything to him other than a hunting spot.
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Post by tynimiller on Nov 11, 2015 22:29:58 GMT -5
Good on ya brother, you did nothing wrong from what you stated. Honesty and accountability are things some refuse to handle well these days...but needed.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 11, 2015 22:48:34 GMT -5
Right or wrong initially, children will always defend their parents for the most part. In time it sounds that this young man just needs a good role model. In turn I think you probably did more than the right thing. Who knows why he refused a license but it is your place and decision. The youth in time probably will realize the wrong in the above situation and just keep being a positive role model. From your post it obviously shows you are for many youth. Supposition on my part.. So called "dead beat dads" will not be issued a license to hunt or fish. That is why they ask for the Social Security number. If he is on that "dead beat dad" list he could be denied a license. www.in.gov/ai/appfiles/dnr-license/Or he could be a guy with a felon and not allowed to have possion of a firearm.... Thus not wanting to buy a lic.
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 12, 2015 12:59:37 GMT -5
You absolutely did the right thing! If a landowner gives me permission to hunt their property the first thing I ask is "do you have any rules you want me to abide by?" Most of them do not but I did have one years ago that did not allow hunting on Sunday's. So, I never hunted their property on Sunday's...pretty simple really. Most landowners are caught off guard when given the question but it also lets them know you are serious about hunting their land and also being ethical. It is guys like this kids dad that give hunters a bad name.
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Post by urbanguy on Nov 12, 2015 13:19:36 GMT -5
100% right. Not many of us get the opportunity to hunt private land and for anyone who acts like that deserves to be dropped on their butt!!! Sad about the kid and agree, hope he sees the bigger picture here. Time will help, sounds like he needs a better role model.
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Post by WhoDey78 on Nov 12, 2015 13:56:00 GMT -5
I feel you did the right thing. You gave him the opportunity to earn his way back by "realizing the wrong." If we don't raise (or guide the misled), the future would not hold promise. I applaud you for educating this young man and encourage you to continue reaching out to him. Obviously, parental guidance is falling short. Of course he's going to defend his father, but deep down I'm sure he remembers the things you taught him and will understand the difference between right and wrong, eventually.
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Post by boonechaser on Nov 12, 2015 14:20:46 GMT -5
I'd have knocked him out then called the police and charged him with assault. As far as the kid goes I might give him a 2nd chance but would probably not let him hunt for rest of this year and probably next just to show that you aren't putting up with any CRAP.
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Post by jimstc on Nov 12, 2015 14:26:36 GMT -5
You did the right thing and you are an honorable man!
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Post by harryman on Nov 12, 2015 14:55:43 GMT -5
Wow that is insane. Tried to fight you on your own property? You're a better man than me by not beating him unconscious. I think I would've been seein red in that situation. Sounds like he was was trying to play alpha male and didn't want you telling him what to do in front of his son. . I really had to control myself to only take him down. I know what I capable of. I used to fight alot and wrestled in college was very good. Gave it up when during a match seriously hurt my opponent broke his leg in two places. Really powerful take down put to much shoulder in it and fell with my weight
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Post by ric0 on Nov 12, 2015 15:08:06 GMT -5
Report the SOB to the cops. Who knows what he might try and pull after leaving with his tail between his legs.
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Post by harryman on Nov 12, 2015 15:18:51 GMT -5
Thanks for all the support from you all. The youths mother has talked to me about the situation and when the youth understands the wrong he will be welcomed back to the farm. What the double whammy is the kid worked on the farm as well. His mother has talked with him and said he couldn't work for an honest wage if he wasn't honest.
I probably take a doe Saturday but that's it for the farm this year firearms season. If he figures things out. He will have sole rights muzzleloader.
The other 3 youths that hunt the farm has taken 5 Between them and chose not to deer hunt the rest of season.
Again thanks for the support I really appreciate it. I was up most of the night replaying the situation in my mind than realized I had to stand my ground and hope the youth learns from this to become a honest man.
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Post by parrothead on Nov 12, 2015 15:37:40 GMT -5
Don't beat yourself up you did the right thing.
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