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Post by dbd870 on Oct 27, 2015 6:47:30 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2015 8:14:22 GMT -5
Some people think if the animal is dead it was a "good shot". One such person said "he hit the heart". No, not unless this elk was a freak and his heart was in his neck.
Here is what I posted there..
Poor shot selection. The hunter got extremely lucky and hit the carotid artery that is about as big around as your little finger, if that big. If he had not hit that the elk would have just been wounded and could have suffered a long lingering death. We owe it to the animals we pursue not to take such low percentage shots.. Tired of seeing this video and folks posting "Good shot"... It wasn't. It was a terrible shot to take..
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Post by steiny on Oct 27, 2015 8:22:40 GMT -5
I agree with you Woody.
Hate to say this, but there are a lot of folks in the hunting community and involved in the hunting industries that really give our sports a black eye. They need to take up golf.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 27, 2015 8:33:18 GMT -5
I agree with you Woody. Hate to say this, but there are a lot of folks in the hunting community and involved in the hunting industries that really give our sports a black eye. They need to take up golf. Yes indeed; some of the TV shows are doing more harm than good. |
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Post by BOWn Hunter on Oct 27, 2015 9:00:27 GMT -5
Terrible shot selection... Never take a shot with that angle!!
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Post by chubwub on Oct 27, 2015 10:29:28 GMT -5
Ehhhh, I would say that kind of shot should only be taken with a firearm. Not a good shot, but certainly a lucky shot.
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Post by kevin1 on Oct 27, 2015 12:04:23 GMT -5
Remember, this is the same culture that gave the world the so called "Texas Heart Shot" and thought it was a great idea.  |
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 27, 2015 12:16:00 GMT -5
I remember seeing that video some time back. Story then was that it was a youth hunter.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 27, 2015 13:09:34 GMT -5
Yep; a 13yr old. He needs an upgrade in a mentor.
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Post by Russ Koon on Oct 27, 2015 13:24:55 GMT -5
I have to disagree.
I think the shot was a perfectly executed frontal shot. There is room for discussion about the taking of that shot, but the consensus among the elk bowhunters I have read on AT and Bowsite is that given the right conditions (practiced archer, short range, reasonably relaxed animal) it IS an ethical option. the initial impact shows the hit to be aligned with the opening in the skeletal framework, and the penetration appears to be almost the full arrow length, as the lighted nock is nearly invisible. That penetration and the point of impact, would yield a severely punctured lung, even if no major blood vessels were cut.
The speed of blood loss and collapse with the severed major vessel was a fortunate bonus, but the shot is one that is considered ethical under those circumstances, with normal penetration taking out at least one lung and very likely other damage resulting in a quick kill.
I agree that it's not a shot that the hunter who is not experienced enough to make a calm, critical shot under the circumstances should attempt, and I wouldn't count on it being an easy trail to follow should the shot be executed poorly, but a good many bowhunters prefer that shot to the hurried one that would likely become available if the hunter tried to wait for the broadside shot we'd hope for.
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Post by Russ Koon on Oct 27, 2015 13:34:00 GMT -5
dbd 870, I was typing while you answered just above.
Yes, the age of the hunter does make the shot decision more suspect, although I suppose there are some 13yo bowhunters out there with the ice in their veins to do it ethically. I sure wouldn't have had that kind of coolness under pressure. I panicked so badly on my first bowhunt at age 17, that I couldn't complete the draw on a nice eight pointer at twenty yards and he walked away after studying me as I melted down for a couple minutes. I think my son might have had that kind of cool at that age, though.
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 27, 2015 13:54:13 GMT -5
greetings
Sorry i also say it was one of the luckiest shots i have ever seen.
i dont believe he could repeat it time after time therefore it was luck, he hit the jugular it died from lack of blood pressure to the vital organs, nothing to do with being lucky enough to hit the lungs.
But i am no bowhunter.
regards
Billy
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2015 15:09:22 GMT -5
I have to disagree. I think the shot was a perfectly executed frontal shot. There is room for discussion about the taking of that shot, but the consensus among the elk bowhunters I have read on AT and Bowsite is that given the right conditions (practiced archer, short range, reasonably relaxed animal) it IS an ethical option. the initial impact shows the hit to be aligned with the opening in the skeletal framework, and the penetration appears to be almost the full arrow length, as the lighted nock is nearly invisible. That penetration and the point of impact, would yield a severely punctured lung, even if no major blood vessels were cut. The speed of blood loss and collapse with the severed major vessel was a fortunate bonus, but the shot is one that is considered ethical under those circumstances, with normal penetration taking out at least one lung and very likely other damage resulting in a quick kill. I agree that it's not a shot that the hunter who is not experienced enough to make a calm, critical shot under the circumstances should attempt, and I wouldn't count on it being an easy trail to follow should the shot be executed poorly, but a good many bowhunters prefer that shot to the hurried one that would likely become available if the hunter tried to wait for the broadside shot we'd hope for. One hit lung shot on an elk? That elk will live a long, long time and probably not be found. Same with a mature buck, especially high country mulies. Also Way too many major bones between the entrance and the true vitals.. That hit was also pretty darn high to get into the rib cage... |
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 29, 2015 9:37:37 GMT -5
I now have a few guys on there trying to tell me this is a good shot to take. Gotta love Facebook.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Oct 29, 2015 11:47:11 GMT -5
I thought the same thing Dave when I saw it. I would have thought there's no shot for "ME". I'd love to drop one like that, but man I HATE to think of an animal suffering a long time, because of me. I lose sleep over stuff like this.
My guess is that he didn't aim at that artery.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 29, 2015 12:03:46 GMT -5
No doubt, I really don't blame the youth - I blame the mentor.
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