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Post by greghopper on Jun 21, 2015 11:13:24 GMT -5
We would be better off to slow 2 bucks and quit worring about throphy management and think about the herd A very short time ago some folks here where saying a SECOND buck tag would be great as it would be a carrot to keep folks in the woods Hunting and shooting does while chasing there 2 BUCKS..... BTW....They Deer herd was grown to its peak height with the OBR in place....
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Post by firstwd on Jun 21, 2015 11:20:53 GMT -5
Who determines how much harvest a local herd can handle?
I saw where guys were reporting that the local herd was decimated. The problem is they hunt a half mile from me, we had 60% of crop fields still standing, and we saw close to double the normal herd numbers on our farm. To me, being a half mile apart, we both are hunting the same local herd.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 21, 2015 11:28:23 GMT -5
Who determines how much harvest a local herd can handle? I saw where guys were reporting that the local herd was decimated. The problem is they hunt a half mile from me, we had 60% of crop fields still standing, and we saw close to double the normal herd numbers on our farm. To me, being a half mile apart, we both are hunting the same local herd. The person with his finger on the trigger for the most part!!!
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Post by throbak on Jun 21, 2015 11:56:36 GMT -5
The same herd grew shooting all the does you possible could .also things change ..a lot of people want 2 deer ..I can't count the times I have heard now I will get my doe .given the choice it would be now I'll get my second buck ,And be happy with those two . Myself I would shoot a buck knowing I could still try for a big one and shoot One less doe I shoot 5 or 6 a yr.all does or BB
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Post by firstwd on Jun 21, 2015 13:05:04 GMT -5
Who determines how much harvest a local herd can handle? I saw where guys were reporting that the local herd was decimated. The problem is they hunt a half mile from me, we had 60% of crop fields still standing, and we saw close to double the normal herd numbers on our farm. To me, being a half mile apart, we both are hunting the same local herd. The person with his finger on the trigger for the most part!!! But that person usually doesn't see the local herd, but the micro sub-section of the local herd that is directly in front of them. How is that micro sub-section representative of the entire herd, especially if another hunter on a neighboring property sees the exact opposite?
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Post by M4Madness on Jun 21, 2015 14:24:16 GMT -5
My average harvest is 3.8 deer a year. 73 deer in 19 seasons.
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Post by firstwd on Jun 21, 2015 14:55:39 GMT -5
One more thought. I have a LL and a bunch of ground in several counties. Why is it wrong for me to use that license to help farmers in multiple counties, feed people in need, and put a deer in the freezer of the farmers that own that land?
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Post by swilk on Jun 21, 2015 15:08:55 GMT -5
It's not.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 21, 2015 15:17:18 GMT -5
One more thought. I have a LL and a bunch of ground in several counties. Why is it wrong for me to use that license to help farmers in multiple counties, feed people in need, and put a deer in the freezer of the farmers that own that land? Nothing wrong..... I assume you would still do the same if you didn't have the LL? If not then I could see why some may get twisted!!!
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Post by firstwd on Jun 21, 2015 15:54:12 GMT -5
One more thought. I have a LL and a bunch of ground in several counties. Why is it wrong for me to use that license to help farmers in multiple counties, feed people in need, and put a deer in the freezer of the farmers that own that land? Nothing wrong..... I assume you would still do the same if you didn't have the LL? If not then I could see why some may get twisted!!! No reason to get twisted. I own a legal permit that was openly available to everybody. No reason to be upset with someone because they were more successful with the same opportunities that were available to all.
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Post by trapperdave on Jun 21, 2015 18:07:14 GMT -5
Im landowner exempt. Doesnt upset me that you can kill x mount for free. so can I. My post was aimed at those that kill kill kill and dont even eat venison or very little. Theyre just thrill killers in my eyes. Never pointed a finger at anyone so nobody should be upset or begrudge me my opinion. ymmv
I was brought up where you dont kill what you wont eat when it comes to game. Ill gladly take a hungry person hunting, but I aint hunting to feed them or use it as a feel good excuse to slaughter the herd. just me.
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Post by chubwub on Jun 21, 2015 18:50:03 GMT -5
Im landowner exempt. Doesnt upset me that you can kill x mount for free. so can I. My post was aimed at those that kill kill kill and dont even eat venison or very little. Theyre just thrill killers in my eyes. Never pointed a finger at anyone so nobody should be upset or begrudge me my opinion. ymmv I was brought up where you dont kill what you wont eat when it comes to game. Ill gladly take a hungry person hunting, but I aint hunting to feed them or use it as a feel good excuse to slaughter the herd. just me. I also dislike the ones that abuse their LL by checking their buddy's deer under their LL since the bag limits for does are so big and you can just say you harvested it in the next county over when you reach your bag limit for that county. As for feeding the hungry,I don't disagree with the program but after all the $$ you spend on gas, equipment and processing fees, land leasing fees and tags if you had to purchase...you could also take all that money and purchase at least 2-3 cows or a dozen hogs to donate for the hungry which would last a heck of a lot longer then 1 deer.
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Post by firstwd on Jun 21, 2015 18:59:10 GMT -5
No tag fees. Already drove to the hunting ground. Process myself. Give straight to the family.
Btw.... I also get deer from the county sheriff road kill list that we process and give to those same families.
I too have serious issues with people who go out and kill deer just to kill deer. Once someone figures out how to put and end to the poaching I'll gladly shut up and about personal choice and willing help set a low total annual harvest per hunter.
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Post by throbak on Jun 21, 2015 19:40:55 GMT -5
Im with Dave on this one and just for the information how many deer are donated compared to depridation permit kills
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Post by chubwub on Jun 21, 2015 19:53:09 GMT -5
No tag fees. Already drove to the hunting ground. Process myself. Give straight to the family. Btw.... I also get deer from the county sheriff road kill list that we process and give to those same families. I too have serious issues with people who go out and kill deer just to kill deer. Once someone figures out how to put and end to the poaching I'll gladly shut up and about personal choice and willing help set a low total annual harvest per hunter. You are not the issue. I'm with you on personal choice and it is good that you share. Personally if you offered it to me I'd be like "but why can't you just invite me over so I can do it myself? Quit hogging all the spots." :-P A good robo-deer set-up certainly seems to help draw poachers out and also gives the uncertainty factor if that deer is "legit." I don't like paper licences. They are too easy to abuse, and I feel that the online check-in also makes it way too easy to poach but boy is it super nice and convenient. This is more personal and may hit a nerve with some but I also feel like ours COs are nowadays are being pushed into more of a plain LEO role with the active shooter training and drug busts and as a result are not as dedicated to wildlife concerns and enforcement as they used to be. Combine this with the fact that they are already understaffed and you have a problem. In the past two years my fiance and I have noticed a huge decrease in response to our wildlife violations/concerns that we called in...some which were never responded or addressed in any fashion. The response we got was that they were too busy or in one case they said they did not have the proper equipment. To say the least I have been very dissatisfied with my "customer service." So all one has to do in order to poach is call the TIP line, find out if they are busy and then go ahead and poach, since it is more than likely they will not be able to respond to the call for at least a day or so based on our experiences. Until these issues are addressed I am afraid that poaching is going to continue to be an issue and become worse as more people figure this out.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 25, 2015 20:05:10 GMT -5
"Bonus permits" seem to be catching a lot of flack so I asked the DNR how many they actually sold..
The answer:
I've also have a request in to see how many were actually filled.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 25, 2015 20:33:26 GMT -5
How do you buy a youth deer bouns antlerless lic???
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 25, 2015 20:36:32 GMT -5
How do you buy a youth deer bouns antlerless lic??? Dunno...but they sold them..
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Post by greghopper on Jun 25, 2015 20:40:30 GMT -5
How do you buy a youth deer bouns antlerless lic??? Dunno...but they sold them.. I belive I see how now....... They look like non-resident youth numbers
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Post by swilk on Jun 25, 2015 20:52:05 GMT -5
One thing that I find interesting is many of the folks who are concerned about our herd numbers still go out and kill deer each and every year then have concerns about too many deer being killed.
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