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Post by span870 on Jun 19, 2015 13:55:14 GMT -5
How many deer do you think one person should kill a year in Indiana. Im not looking for arguments or however many they feel they need. If you could set the numbers what would that number be? Second part, what's your average? This would be a statewide question, all the things equal. I'm going somewhere with this and just want to see if its valid before I open my mouth.
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Post by swilk on Jun 19, 2015 14:04:45 GMT -5
As many as the localized herd will allow....which will vary county to county and farm to farm.
Personally, I would feel comfortable taking 8 total female deer off my farm this year and then evaluate again next year and adjust as necessary.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 19, 2015 14:17:36 GMT -5
Tough answering that for others... I've always said that each hunter should evaluate his/her own particular area and hunt accordingly. In my case I've got guys n three sides of me that "kill 'em all" and the other side there used to be a share cropper farmer that shot them at will. Thankfully he has been replaced with one who was told not to shoot any deer by the non-resident landowner. I don't remember the last time I killed a doe on my place. I may never again....
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Post by firstwd on Jun 19, 2015 15:35:32 GMT -5
Because I have friends there and have discussed hunting extensively, I like Georgia ' s regulations of 12. 2 antlered (one must be 4 points or more on one side) and 10 antlerless.
As for an average, my house uses about 1 per year simply because we are all running so much we seldom get to share a meal. I used to go through 3 to 4. When I was helping some elderly and indigent families I would go through 7 to 10. Now, to quantify that, I also used to have more than 12,000 acres to hunt spread over 8 counties, plus doing early and late State Park hunts each year.
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Post by trophyparadise on Jun 19, 2015 15:46:51 GMT -5
I really think Indiana should be split in half along interstate 70. Limits should be representative of each zone. More deer in most of the southern half...Limits should be higher than in the northern half. I say that objectively...as I hunt in the northern half and I could easily kill 2 mature bucks per year and countless does...But my properties are not the norm up here. I'd be in favor of 4 bonus tags anywhere north of 70....6 south of 70. That would be a good average. Even though I regularly kill the maximum allowed in my county because my doe numbers are crazy, I would be in favor of reducing tags to 4 for everyone in the north Trophy Paradise Habitat Consulting "Trophies are built from the ground up" m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=852914431431752
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Post by windingwinds on Jun 19, 2015 17:14:18 GMT -5
I would like to take 2, prefer bow season but generally it's gun season when I get it done. That being said, I have harvested one deer a year since 2010. We could easily use 3 or 4 though to fill the freezer, I tend to save venison as long as I can until close to October. Nothing worse than a empty freezer.
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Post by firstwd on Jun 19, 2015 18:12:27 GMT -5
I really think Indiana should be split in half along interstate 70. Limits should be representative of each zone. More deer in most of the southern half...Limits should be higher than in the northern half. I say that objectively...as I hunt in the northern half and I could easily kill 2 mature bucks per year and countless does...But my properties are not the norm up here. I'd be in favor of 4 bonus tags anywhere north of 70....6 south of 70. That would be a good average. Even though I regularly kill the maximum allowed in my county because my doe numbers are crazy, I would be in favor of reducing tags to 4 for everyone in the north Trophy Paradise Habitat Consulting "Trophies are built from the ground up" m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=852914431431752I honestly haven't looked, but if I'm thinking right, 4 for every one North of I70 would raise the limit in a bunch of counties. Then again, 6 would also raise the limit in a bunch of counties south of I70.
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Post by duff on Jun 19, 2015 19:39:00 GMT -5
How many should you get? As many as legally allowed.
My average past 10 yrs 1.879 dpy My average first 10 yrs 2.321dpy Most in a season was 6 Least in a season 0
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 19, 2015 20:36:48 GMT -5
I really think Indiana should be split in half along interstate 70. Limits should be representative of each zone. More deer in most of the southern half...Limits should be higher than in the northern half. I say that objectively...as I hunt in the northern half and I could easily kill 2 mature bucks per year and countless does...But my properties are not the norm up here. I'd be in favor of 4 bonus tags anywhere north of 70....6 south of 70. That would be a good average. Even though I regularly kill the maximum allowed in my county because my doe numbers are crazy, I would be in favor of reducing tags to 4 for everyone in the north Trophy Paradise Habitat Consulting "Trophies are built from the ground up" m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=852914431431752I honestly haven't looked, but if I'm thinking right, 4 for every one North of I70 would raise the limit in a bunch of counties. Then again, 6 would also raise the limit in a bunch of counties south of I70. I prefer county by county myself. Half the state is way too big an area to call a number on.. Even counties will vary from one end to another..
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Post by span870 on Jun 19, 2015 20:43:23 GMT -5
Okay that didn't go the way I was thinking. I guess I should ask is would you guys be favorable if say dnr says maybe 4 or whatever number state wide. If the numbers are true that the majority kill two deer a year wouldn't a number say three or four appease everyone. Get rid of bonus tags. You have x number of tags and you can use them any season any county any park any military area. Do away with urban or whatever they are calling it now. Obr isn't going away. Wouldn't that make the vast majority happy. I know there are some you aren't going to make happy but most of those you aren't going to anyway. If you want to keep the urban fine but that's your buck tag for the state. Bonus county are gone. The unfounded worry of guys killing 300 deer. Just throwing it out there.
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Post by jjas on Jun 19, 2015 20:48:41 GMT -5
"How many deer do you think one person should kill a year in Indiana?"
Based on the fact that the latest data I've seen that provides a break down shows less than 5% of hunters in this state kill more than 3 deer, it appears (based on that 2010 data) that the number for the vast majority is somewhere between 1 and 3.
And based on that fact, the bonus antlerless permit system wouldn't factor in @ all as a hunter could kill 4 deer with their archery tag, muzzleloader tag, firearms tag and crossbow tag OR they could kill two antlerless and one antlered deer with their bundle. Either way....no bonus antlerless permits required.
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Post by swilk on Jun 19, 2015 21:08:54 GMT -5
Okay that didn't go the way I was thinking. I guess I should ask is would you guys be favorable if say dnr says maybe 4 or whatever number state wide. If the numbers are true that the majority kill two deer a year wouldn't a number say three or four appease everyone. Get rid of bonus tags. You have x number of tags and you can use them any season any county any park any military area. Do away with urban or whatever they are calling it now. Obr isn't going away. Wouldn't that make the vast majority happy. I know there are some you aren't going to make happy but most of those you aren't going to anyway. If you want to keep the urban fine but that's your buck tag for the state. Bonus county are gone. The unfounded worry of guys killing 300 deer. Just throwing it out there. Lol....maybe we over think things too much. A statewide cap of 3 deer total would be fine by me. 1 antlered male and 2 females or 3 females.
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Post by firstwd on Jun 19, 2015 21:22:26 GMT -5
First one must understand that not all deer hunters are multiple season deer hunters. I know my hunting time has been drastically reduced due to my job. Just because I only get to hunt 3 to 5 days a year doesn't mean a 3 to 5 day season is acceptable.
Just because the state shows that about 50% of the tags sold get filled doesn't mean 50% of the hunters actually kill a deer. I have an LTL and my deer show up in the raw harvest numbers but not in the tag numbers.
I believe the Park Hunt deer are not included in the state harvest numbers. That is the reason they do not need a license, get checked in beyond the park, and part of the reason so many of us who donate deer in one form or another do the park hunts.
Please answer me this question since I'm a simple concept kind of person. If the average hunter kills 3 or less deer per year and lowering the limit would effect very few of them, just how many would be effected if the numbers were left alone or even changed to unlimited?
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Post by swilk on Jun 19, 2015 21:28:05 GMT -5
Very few. I think the only thing it would do is ease the minds of some folks. Perception is reality and all that jazz....
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Post by firstwd on Jun 19, 2015 21:28:22 GMT -5
Personally, I'm still for the county numbers being total antlerless across all seasons and not just a bonus number.
Then again, I'm also all for the bundle license being the only deer license the DNR sells. OBR would still stand, anything else is antlerless, county numbers would be total antlerless......
Holy crap, we would have a simple set of deer regulations! I know, I'm dreaming.
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Post by swilk on Jun 19, 2015 21:33:08 GMT -5
Simple and regulations are two words that don't seem to go together anymore....
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Post by span870 on Jun 19, 2015 22:05:42 GMT -5
First one must understand that not all deer hunters are multiple season deer hunters. I know my hunting time has been drastically reduced due to my job. Just because I only get to hunt 3 to 5 days a year doesn't mean a 3 to 5 day season is acceptable. Just because the state shows that about 50% of the tags sold get filled doesn't mean 50% of the hunters actually kill a deer. I have an LTL and my deer show up in the raw harvest numbers but not in the tag numbers. I believe the Park Hunt deer are not included in the state harvest numbers. That is the reason they do not need a license, get checked in beyond the park, and part of the reason so many of us who donate deer in one form or another do the park hunts. Please answer me this question since I'm a simple concept kind of person. If the average hunter kills 3 or less deer per year and lowering the limit would effect very few of them, just how many would be effected if the numbers were left alone or even changed to unlimited? I don't know if this was meant for me but my plan would allow you to use those x number of tags how you see fit. October 1 through January whatever it is now. I'm with you bonus county is gone. If you want to kill all your deer October 1st. have at it. Simple and majority are happy. Guys that worry about state parks are happy, worry about to many deer killed are happy. Many are going to fill tags early. Many wait until gun season.
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Post by GS1 on Jun 19, 2015 23:51:40 GMT -5
Since the bundle license was created, I have always thought the bonus tags should be done away with along with all season specific tags. Just sell a bundle license and nothing else. Set the price accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 0:10:50 GMT -5
I would be totally comfortable with a limit of one buck and two does per hunter, statewide (not counting draw hunts) My average over my 16 years of deer hunting is right around 1.25 deer per year. My little family can't eat more than 2 deer a year. My little freezer won't hold more than 2 either. Therefore, we don't kill many. I never kill more than 2 deer a year. If my daughter or wife would happen to kill a deer, I would kill only one. Killing any more than that would require us to donate or give it to friends. I would not be against that if I felt the areas around the properties I hunt were overpopulated, but I don't feel they are. I think the populations are steady.
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Post by drs on Jun 20, 2015 5:13:37 GMT -5
During Deer (firearm season), years ago I would bag as many as 4 to 6 per year, Deer hunting in both Kentucky and in Indiana, before moving to Kentucky in 2008. During the 2010 season down here, I bagged two Doe, and another Doe during our 2012. Since living here these three Doe have been the only ones I've harvested with Buck making up the remainder of my harvest.
Haven't really decided to take an additional antlerless Deer this 2015 season, but intend to take my regular Buck harvest. These days, I am really contended to take just one or two Deer per Season.
As pointed out in a few threads here: It depends on the size of the general Deer Herd and the carrying capacity of the area's habitat. Also the ability to withstand an additional harvest of Deer despite the condition of the areas habitat.
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