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Post by greghopper on Feb 6, 2015 22:40:04 GMT -5
Exactly ..... Glad to see a intelligent post... Thanks Dead wrong !!you are right one thing and some here are totally blind as well as clueless to the whole issue at hand. Your just mad because they hunt them in pens its so sad it don't even effect you at all .Your anger and jealousy are eating you up. It is huge money and it will win over whiners everyday in this state. As stated its just another farm /ag business and don't effect me or you at all. So now it turns personal!!! Why don't you try to post something intelligent for a change..... Same guy same personal attacks!!! Same uneducated post..... SMH
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Post by greghopper on Feb 6, 2015 22:49:30 GMT -5
Farmers dont raisee animals to turn loose and then hunt them down and kill them to even suggest its the same is an insult to my intelligence if that the case deer would be sold by the lb not the inch Then add to that intelligence and do your research .deer are sold by the pound as well .There is a huge deer meat market .You guys have very little figured out about farming and deer .It is a huge industry and antlers and pen hunts are only a very small part of that .FYI legal farm raised deer loin can sell for as much as $25.00 to $40.00 per pound in butcher shops and fine dining restaurants. FYI they raise and sell whitetail for this as well as many other game animals .You guys are so stuck on pen hunting you need to do a bit of reading on the subject . ONLY wild deer meat and products can not be sold. www.elkusa.com/Whitetail_venison.htmlYou might smell creditable if you could post a link from Indiana....the state in question.... LMAO
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 7, 2015 7:26:11 GMT -5
Let's keep the responses civil.
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Post by throbak on Feb 7, 2015 8:40:48 GMT -5
If it just an out her farming operation what's the USDA,s the NRCS, and the SWCD,s Stance on this Type of Operation What programs are in place?
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Post by throbak on Feb 7, 2015 8:53:01 GMT -5
If this was all about deer being raised for meat only THIS Wouldn't be getting the ATTN it is would it ? Seems to me your trying to change the agenda from a canned hunt to a hamburger farm NOT WORKING BTW Indiana Has done CWD . testing
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Post by jjas on Feb 7, 2015 9:33:42 GMT -5
I don't support the high fence hunting operations in any way, shape or form, but these farms existing in the state does beg the question.
Other than the lack of a hunting aspect, why are these farms seemingly getting a pass from most sportsman when it comes to the discussion and concern over CWD?
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 9:54:37 GMT -5
If this was all about deer being raised for meat only THIS Wouldn't be getting the ATTN it is would it ? Seems to me your trying to change the agenda from a canned hunt to a hamburger farm NOT WORKING BTW Indiana Has done CWD . testing Exactly....When animals are raised for "MEAT" they are required to be killed by "Humane Slaughter" and must follow Indiana State Board of Animal Health (BOAH) guidelines!!!
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Post by shouldernuke on Feb 7, 2015 10:13:18 GMT -5
Let me say this on my last post on this subject .To me its not about the where the operations are at or how big.Its all about proper regulation .That one is being done at this time its still under the control of BOHA and USDA. The other is this .The money from this farming either to shoot or just sell them for meat ,deer urine products ,semen, Dropped antlers and capes for the taxidermy and leather industry as well as Asian natural fertility markets and yes even live deer sales is huge its a billion dollar industry. The chance of a few house wives and overly concerned hunters ruining and closing the industry that makes millions and millions of tax dollars and makes for secure jobs keeping what is obviously thousands of people off the welfare line is slim to none . As far as some guy who wants to call himself a hunter and walk into a 5 or 10 acre pen and kill a buck that has been engineered for giant antlers and lives just to be shot that has little in common with truly wild natural Whitetails is not for me or anyone else to judge or stop.It is his delusion and nothing more just like the guy in a old house robe calling for the "This is the end " on a cardboard sign they really do not matter . So if some fat walleted office setting city boy wants to call it a hard hunt and pay a farmer $4000.00 to $20,000.00 hard earned dollars to pull a trigger and set and admire it on his den wall and pay the state thousands in sales taxes and the farmer to stay off welfare that's fine too . Their self indulged hunting claims mean nothing to me and take away nothing from me or any other IN. Deer hunter who worked his but off and sets in his humble den staring at his "HARD EARNED" trophy ever ever. FYI BOHA and the DNR are monitoring for this there are many more links to this just click search .. www.eregulations.com/indiana/hunting/deer-disease-information/also for thought food www.buyexoticmeats.com/gameforsaini2.htmllocal.biggamehunt.net/Game_Meat_Indianapolis_IN-p1561067-Indianapolis_IN.htmlwww.deerbreeders.com/indiana/indianadeer.com/www.nadefa.org/
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 11:26:39 GMT -5
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Post by shouldernuke on Feb 7, 2015 13:11:21 GMT -5
So what you are saying in a past post is that Broad head tipped arrow through the lungs "is not a humane " way to kill any animal If its not ok for a cow or hog its not ok for wild game .Remember this two edged sword will eventually cut both ways .If by your thoughts that is so then Bow hunting is inhumane and should be illegal .Just saying watch what you post and say or push.FYI a lung shot is far more humane than a botched head shot with a .22 just saying .The blood loss makes hanging meat and draining less of an issue . FYI the WOA has 0 jurisdiction or legal rights to any regulation in the United stats as it pertains to the slaughter of animals .Another bogus peta group imho And another FYUII those USDA rules are only for commercial processing facilities .Not private or home processing . Sorry you grabbed the wrong file.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 13:44:24 GMT -5
So what you are saying in a past post is that Broad head tipped arrow through the lungs "is not a humane " way to kill any animal If its not ok for a cow or hog its not ok for wild game .Remember this two edged sword will eventually cut both ways .If by your thoughts that is so then Bow hunting is inhumane and should be illegal .Just saying watch what you post and say or push.FYI a lung shot is far more humane than a botched head shot with a .22 just saying .The blood loss makes hanging meat and draining less of an issue . FYI the WOA has 0 jurisdiction or legal rights to any regulation in the United stats as it pertains to the slaughter of animals .Another bogus peta group imho And another FYUII those USDA rules are only for commercial processing facilities .Not private or home processing . Sorry you grabbed the wrong file. Thought you where DONE... So your saying if you Slaughter a farm animal that you own you don't have to follow "Humane Slaughter" practices at you home....correct ??
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 7, 2015 13:54:29 GMT -5
I don't guess DBD870 got your attention .. keep it up and there will be a few folks sitting on the sidelines for awhile.. Understood?
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 14:57:16 GMT -5
I don't guess DBD870 got your attention .. keep it up and there will be a few folks sitting on the sidelines for awhile.. Understood? If your calling me out ....a pm sent!!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 7, 2015 15:52:05 GMT -5
I don't guess DBD870 got your attention .. keep it up and there will be a few folks sitting on the sidelines for awhile.. Understood? If your calling me out ....a pm sent!!! I'm saying I'm sick and tired of the personal name calling. If the hammer drops it could be on anyone here that is spouting off at the time.. I'm telling all here to reread your posts and edit as necessary AND refrain from any more such posts.....
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 16:15:27 GMT -5
If your calling me out ....a pm sent!!! I'm saying I'm sick and tired of the personal name calling. If the hammer drops it could be on anyone here that is spouting off at the time.. I'm telling all here to reread your posts and edit as necessary AND refrain from any more such posts..... GOOD....I also agree the personal name calling and personal attacks are OLD B.S. for sure.....seems the usual person or group gets warned at least once a month here...... Thanks for your patience!!!
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