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Post by hunterman on Feb 4, 2015 9:20:59 GMT -5
GSI- I cant give you those numbers backed with facts. There was another wild deer found with CWD in Iowa a couple weeks ago. The DNR was quoted as saying they felt it walked into Iowa from Wisconsin. Years ago CWD was found in the wild in Illinois along the Mid Northwest section of Indiana Border(approx 30 miles away). Lack of testing in the ONLY reason cwd has not been found in the wild in Indiana.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 6, 2015 21:49:58 GMT -5
GSI- I cant give you those numbers backed with facts. There was another wild deer found with CWD in Iowa a couple weeks ago. The DNR was quoted as saying they felt it walked into Iowa from Wisconsin. Years ago CWD was found in the wild in Illinois along the Mid Northwest section of Indiana Border(approx 30 miles away). Lack of testing in the ONLY reason cwd has not been found in the wild in Indiana. Hogwash..... CWD test are done all the time!!! Get your fact inline.....do some research !!!!
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Post by hunterman on Feb 6, 2015 23:02:56 GMT -5
GH- I assure you every thing I post is factual and proven. By you not already having knowledge of these things shows you are years behind on his argument.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 6, 2015 23:11:33 GMT -5
GH- I assure you every thing I post is factual and proven. By you not already having knowledge of these things shows you are years behind on his argument. So your saying that there are no CWD test done in Indiana??? Really ? You may want to do some research and educate your self ..... SMH
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Post by hunterman on Feb 7, 2015 12:58:36 GMT -5
.8% GH. Having a discussion with you on this topic is like a guy at a superbowl party asking how many points a team gets when they score. You should sit back and learn from people who actually are experts on the topic and not embarrass yourself by making comments.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 13:09:51 GMT -5
.8% GH. Having a discussion with you on this topic is like a guy at a superbowl party asking how many points a team gets when they score. You should sit back and learn from people who actually are experts on the topic and not embarrass yourself by making comments. So I guessing there is CWD testing done in Indiana...LOL.....So How does the "CROW" taste? Your maybe look more creditable if you would actually do some research before you post!!!! FYI...All captive cervid farms have to test every animal for CWD over the age 12 months when it dies. more... www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-MR_1054_CWD_Monitoring_2012.pdfBTW......go ahead and post up some more personal attacks it helps your creditability....SMH "experts".....ROFLMAO
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Post by swilk on Feb 7, 2015 15:22:07 GMT -5
He has said from the beginning that testing was done on wild deer but that the percentage of deer tested was extremely small.
If his numbers are accurate I would say his point is valid .......
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 15:30:51 GMT -5
He has said from the beginning that testing was done on wild deer but that the percentage of deer tested was extremely small. If his numbers are accurate I would say his point is valid ....... Read the post at top of page.... It's says "lack of"... Nothing about small percent or what type of Deer!!! What percent do you think is needed for a valid reading/sample???
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Post by swilk on Feb 7, 2015 15:41:26 GMT -5
Even if a person chooses to pick the wording of that single post and ignore his previous posts the word "lack" could be accurate in that it is not sufficient testing.
His percentage did change significantly though.....originally it was .08% and most recently it was .8%.
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Post by swilk on Feb 7, 2015 15:43:47 GMT -5
What percentage do I think would be necessary? Much more than .08% if we were truly looking..... what about you?
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 16:55:39 GMT -5
In 2002, Indiana created a monitoring program to detect the presence of CWD, which focused on removing the obex or the retropharyngeal gland from random hunter harvested deer throughout the state (active surveillance). Reports of outwardly noticeable sick deer are also tested (targeted surveillance). This monitoring continues today, as well as testing random samples of road killed deer which was instituted in 2007. The Division of Fish and Wildlife’s 2013 CWD sampling effort collected 1,026 deer from hunter harvested and road killed deer. Lab results failed to detect CWD in any samples in 2013. CWD has not been detected in over 13,200 deer during this monitoring period (2002-present).
This would seem to be a great enough sample IMO... plus this is only the WILD deer herd.
All the captive cervid farms have to test every animal for CWD over the age 12 months when it dies....this is not just Deer.
One thing for sure there is "TESTING" going on......
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Post by swilk on Feb 7, 2015 17:07:43 GMT -5
So .8% are tested..... he originally said .08% and then said .8% so the first was possibly a typo.
Do they test all captive deer? If I were looking for something I think testing more than .8% would be a good idea ...... especially if the restof the iinformation in these two treads is accurate and they aren't sure where or how it originates or spreads.
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Post by hunterman on Feb 7, 2015 17:21:44 GMT -5
As stated before (minus the typo) the DNR is testing .8% and the deer farms are testing 100% so who really cares about finding CWD, who do you think will find CWD. My point stands, The dnr is not testing is real terms. If there was a terminally ill sickness at your kids school and the administration told you they were testing .8% and had it under control, what would you say ? You certainly would not drink the cool aide and say they are testing and its ok.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 17:22:38 GMT -5
Swilk,
Yes captive cervid are tested.... Deer are in that family.
There is also NO live test for CWD....all animal's must be dead
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 17:32:50 GMT -5
As stated before (minus the typo) the DNR is testing .8% and the deer farms are testing 100% so who really cares about finding CWD, who do you think will find CWD. My point stands, The dnr is not testing is real terms. If there was a terminally ill sickness at your kids school and the administration told you they were testing .8% and had it under control, what would you say ? You certainly would not drink the cool aide and say they are testing and its ok. REALLY??? COOL aide and all!!! To compare kids sick at school to CWD is nothing more than grasping at straws...SMH CWD can only be tested on DEAD animal's.... BTW....looks like "BOAH"(Indiana State Board of Animal Health)& IDNR is doing GOOD with there current regulations by keeping this a CWD free state...maybe other states should follow there lead!!!
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Post by swilk on Feb 7, 2015 17:46:47 GMT -5
Yep....but we have about 125000 dead animals a year so there are certainly more animals that could be tested each year.
Is less than 1 out of 100 sufficient?
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Post by hunterman on Feb 7, 2015 17:54:06 GMT -5
Swilk- We can send a boy to school but cant make them learn. My only interest here is helping educate people who have serious questions and concerns regarding deer farms and hunting preserves. I obviously support the preserves, However, if this CWD issue was real and the DNR actually performed serious testing and showed they we actually thought is was serious and if science backed it up- I would be pushing to stop all animal movement as well. The state will never find it if they dont look(.8%), doesn't mean they are doing anything right.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 7, 2015 18:02:59 GMT -5
Swilk- We can send a boy to school but cant make them learn. My only interest here is helping educate people who have serious questions and concerns regarding deer farms and hunting preserves. I obviously support the preserves, However, if this CWD issue was real and the DNR actually performed serious testing and showed they we actually thought is was serious and if science backed it up- I would be pushing to stop all animal movement as well. The state will never find it if they dont look(.8%), doesn't mean they are doing anything right. Watch the "boy" stuff
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 18:03:32 GMT -5
Yep....but we have about 125000 dead animals a year so there are certainly more animals that could be tested each year. Is less than 1 out of 100 sufficient? Maybe so,If we weren't a CWD free state then I say more testing should happen!!! BTW...When the Deer escaped in Jackson County in 2012 they also done extra CWD testing in the neighboring counties of Bartholomew, Jennings and Scott at the cost of the PUBLIC!!!
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Post by greghopper on Feb 7, 2015 18:04:26 GMT -5
Swilk- We can send a boy to school but cant make them learn. My only interest here is helping educate people who have serious questions and concerns regarding deer farms and hunting preserves. I obviously support the preserves, However, if this CWD issue was real and the DNR actually performed serious testing and showed they we actually thought is was serious and if science backed it up- I would be pushing to stop all animal movement as well. The state will never find it if they dont look(.8%), doesn't mean they are doing anything right. Watch the "boy" stuff EXACTLY....why is that allowed??? plain NAME CALLING...again same person
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