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Post by 36fan on Oct 27, 2014 11:50:53 GMT -5
The dictionary definition is not a legal definition. Near the beginning of all statues is a definition section. For something to be legally enforceable, it has to be defined. The CO may issue someone a citation based upon his definition, but if challenged in court, it can be thrown out. I know of an instance recently in what I deal with where a lower judge pulled out a dictionary to get the definition of something instead of using the legally defined definition. The case was easily lost upon appeal because of it. All accurate........and one can only ask themselves "WHY one would want to risk the chance to have to go THROUGH all that" I'll just attach the tag ASAP and remove ALL chances of being in the middle of unneeded BS. It's NOT a matter of "who is right or wrong". not to me. I just want to legally hunt, with the least amount of hassle and interruption as I can conjure up. So they will probably throw it out of court. Is having to go through it all and have it thrown out.....that a "win"? No. Winning is not having to deal with such. Just attach the tag and be done with it. So we come back around to "an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure". I personally fill out the tag as soon as I recover the deer ... but I have had a temporary lapse of memory and forgot to fill out until it was field dressed, but before I left it unattended to get my means of transporting it out of the woods. Here's another quagmire for debate: The last deer I hit I asked the deputy if I needed to keep the roadkill tag (for lack of a better term) on the deer either during transport or while it was hanging in the barn. I was told "no", just have it available if anyone asked for it. any thoughts on this? Was I informed correctly by the deputy?
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Post by steve46511 on Oct 27, 2014 13:12:43 GMT -5
All tags, to the best of my knowledge, should stay ATTACHED until processed. For me, this includes road kill permits.
Again......"an ounce of prevention" as you said, still applies.....at least in my decisions. Just cover all possible bases and no worries.
God Bless
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Oct 27, 2014 17:34:25 GMT -5
What if you just check them in on your phone before field dressing, dragging, or anything else? No transport tag needed then.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2014 17:38:33 GMT -5
What if you just check them in on your phone before field dressing, dragging, or anything else? No transport tag needed then. Hmmmm... not sure about that...
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Post by firstwd on Oct 27, 2014 18:09:38 GMT -5
You need to have the check in number written on something.
As for road kill tags, they do not have to be on the deer. They should stay available if stopped, be turned in to a processor if one is used, or kept at home if you process your own until the meat is used.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 27, 2014 18:41:22 GMT -5
What if you just check them in on your phone before field dressing, dragging, or anything else? No transport tag needed then. Not True..... The CheckIN Game system is a free online system that allows hunters to check in their harvested game from any device that is connected to the internet. Hunters who use this system will receive a confirmation number that must be written down on a temporary transportation tag (e.g. turkey transportation tag or deer transportation tag) for the harvested game species. Currently, this system is only set up for deer and turkey.
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Post by indybassin on Oct 27, 2014 19:09:07 GMT -5
I carry tags filled with my info on it in ziplock bags along with a zip tie. Notch, attach... done.
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Post by duff on Oct 28, 2014 4:39:04 GMT -5
Try being a waterfowl hunter...been checked too many times to count. Public, private at the truck in the field. Even been cited for an honest mistake. All have been decent checks, never had one try to bully me or leave me mad about the check. Now city cops I have been checked by were a bit different but not all bad
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Post by span870 on Oct 28, 2014 6:04:52 GMT -5
Try being a waterfowl hunter...been checked too many times to count. Public, private at the truck in the field. Even been cited for an honest mistake. All have been decent checks, never had one try to bully me or leave me mad about the check. Now city cops I have been checked by were a bit different but not all bad You waterfowl hunt you will be checked. Dad a I got checked three times in one week by the same co in the same field. All three times he drove out in the field right as the birds where coming off the lake. You would think if he was wanting a violation he would have waited until we shot. Only bad experience I've had with one. I was rabbit hunting at Providence pond one afternoon. It was late in the year and cold and snowy as all get out. It was after dark as I was walking out. I cut across the old pond as it was frozen and a lot quicker route. I seen the DNR truck parked there so I unloaded as I walked up to the parking area. Don't know why but he decided to hide behind the bushes and jump out at me. Checked my license and wanted to check my shells. I was curious about this one but showed him. He proceeded to inform me that I had to use steel shot there to rabbit hunt. I informed him that it was only for dove hunting. No I was wrong am he was going to write me a ticket. Then he informed me that he was taking my gun to the car and he was going to look the infraction up. Could not convince the man. Now at this time my dogs decided to run another rabbit, I'm having my $2000 shotgun seized, and arguing with this man about the law. To put it mildly I was fuming. I told him do what you got to do I'm going to catch my dogs. Caught them finally. Loaded them up. When I came back he said, we'll I'll be darned you were right. After all said and done he becomes a talker and I froze my rear end off. It turned out to be an okay experience and even invited him out rabbit hunting with me. Found out he was a newer officer and called into a vetren officer to get the rules. Nice guy in the end but think he just was a little excited about writing a ticket.
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Post by mel on Sept 7, 2016 14:24:04 GMT -5
I've been checked by a 3 times CO: 1) relatively close to the parking are on public ground. He wasn't going to come looking for me until he saw me get up and move around (I was sitting on the side of a brush pile, opposite the parking area). He checked my license, asked if I had harvested any deer yet this season, said "OK, thanks - good luck" and left. 2) complaint called in by a cock-eyed city slicker that didn't know the difference between waterfowl hunting with steel shot and shooting deer slugs. He called the local police, they came out and said we where fine and legal, and you could tell the cop was also annoyed at this guy. Cock-eyed city slicker wasn't happy and he called DNR. CO was dispatched checked our licenses, plugs on the shotguns, babbled on a little bit about how there isn't regulations about how from property lines or structures you can hunt (we ~70yds from the road behind us), and said we shouldn't do it because it could become illegal. He also started saying if shot reigned down on someone it could be criminal charges (nearest place it could could've was >200 yds away, IF we shot in the wrong direction). We asked about hunter harassment and he left. He was trying to give us a scare tactic about safety, but his approach was flawed and I think he knew it. We were in layout blinds about 1/3 of the way into a 15 acre parcel w/ a WWTP on one side, ag field owned by a prison on another side, and the empty backside of park property on the far side - we >0.25 mi from this guy's house and he was offended by the noise. We were within town limits; however, the town doesn't have an ordinance against discharging firearms. I have waterfowl hunted the same place MANY times since w/ out incident. 3) complaint called in while were dispatching mute swans via permit in January. He checked the permit, started to babble about safety of ricochets (we were in the middle of nowhere on private property at a reclaimed strip mine with a high bank opposite us). He was polite, but after a few minutes his approach was starting to irritate me. I then told him I had already discussed it with CO X before coming out. He then said we might want to reconsider killing the swans during waterfowl season and left. I asked for his contact info in case we needed to contact him, and he said he is dispatched through the local 911 and didn't give me his phone number. Again he was trying to give a scare tactic about safety, but he didn't follow his theory all the way through to conclusion and the precautions that had already been taken. If we would've been shooting east instead south and west, he would've had a valid argument; however, the location of the dead birds showed the direction we had shot. All of the checks were legit, and I have no problem with that. All of the officers were polite, but 2 of the 3 encounters left a little to be desired. After the last encounter I'm beginning to think they are trained to push until you push back, analyze the situation, then make a decision to either say "thank you" and leave, or write a citation. In all of my situations no laws were broken, so they said "thank you" and left.
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Post by scrub-buster on Sept 7, 2016 14:33:15 GMT -5
2 years later???
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 7, 2016 18:54:29 GMT -5
Holy resurrection Batman
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Post by 36fan on Sept 9, 2016 23:29:04 GMT -5
Mel quoted me, but didn't say anything in his first and only post, Batman!
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Post by scrub-buster on Sept 10, 2016 6:12:32 GMT -5
Mel quoted me, but didn't say anything in his first and only post, Batman! Could Mel be a spam bot?
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Post by urbanguy on Sept 10, 2016 7:12:32 GMT -5
I carry tags filled with my info on it in ziplock bags along with a zip tie. Notch, attach... done. Same, mine are laminated and hole punched. The temp tags already have my info on it just need the kill info with perm marker. Can't be too careful. If you find a co on a bad day. I have also head that you MUST have a licence on you at all times? Ex: if my tags are in my pack hanging in my stand and co comes along and I have to get down, my tags are not on my person and could get a ticket? Sounds a little silly when they are 16 ft away from me?
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Post by urbanguy on Sept 10, 2016 7:13:48 GMT -5
Damn it...I've been had.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 10, 2016 11:38:54 GMT -5
Try printing your temp tags on bumper sticker paper .
Kill a deer, fill out the tag, peel the backing off, wrap it around the antler/leg and adhere out to itself. Tough paper and will stay out. Not need fur a string or wire tire..
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Post by jjas on Sept 10, 2016 11:59:32 GMT -5
Try printing your temp tags on bumper sticker paper . Kill a deer, fill out the tag, peel the backing off, wrap it around the antler/leg and adhere out to itself. Tough paper and will stay out. Not need fur a string or wire tire.. That sounds like a good idea! Where do you get the paper?
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 10, 2016 12:36:28 GMT -5
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 10, 2016 12:41:50 GMT -5
I was at Atterbury talking with them about a handicap key, and overheard two COs talking. One must have been new, as the one said, "People in our jobs tend to have type "A" personalities."
I try to walk the line as closely to center as I can, but when being checked by a CO or officer, they don't have a clue who I am or what I'm trying to do. I have noticed that a little humility on my side goes a long way ...even with the worst of them.
Now Genesis on the other hand ...I just won't go on that side of the state. LOL
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