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Post by jjas on May 14, 2014 13:04:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 13:15:21 GMT -5
That is interesting! Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 14, 2014 14:26:17 GMT -5
Very interesting indeed.
More information on the negative impact coyotes and other predators have on fawns...
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Post by drs on May 15, 2014 4:11:23 GMT -5
Interesting
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Post by steve46511 on May 15, 2014 8:07:35 GMT -5
The "14 percent" of the does collared, and their young (2 being the alleged average)spoke volumes to me. While a very small cross section and one may not wish to portray such an average is any kind of "standard" with so much depending on local populations......it still has to be considered as A LOT, IMHO. With the lowered numbers of small game, it's only natural for coyotes to turn to "easier" food sources. What they include from does and fawns to small farm animals to household pets raises a red flag to me. While I detest my old ways as a young man of shooting something just to shoot something, and it does give me pause as a "dog lover" and I realize these coyotes are only doing what coyotes must instinctively do I keep tossing around that when I can financially set up to do so humanely, I should spend some effort locally to take a few out. Obviously, not all have the same opinion and this will remain a factoid for anything we discuss, but the re-introduction of coyotes to IN years back was accepted by me and my friends similarly to how we feel about CWD and EHD. Coyotes have no natural enemy/predator here....except us (that I am aware of). Without our input and efforts their numbers could easily grow unchecked and to way over balanced populations. Waiting "too long" will have the same results as the age old adage of "too little......too late", IMHO. With the increased number I have seen in past years during LOW light situations and bright daylight too I have to wonder just HOW MANY are out there but stepping outside on an quiet night it is quite odd to not hear a pack or small group in the distance. Their reproduction rates are higher than I had known about before looking it up. "The gestation period lasts from 60 to 63 days. Litter size ranges from one to 19 pups; the average is six.[3]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoyoteWhile the "humane society" reports "killing them doesn't work", I'll have to respectfully "think differently" IF YOU SHOOT ENOUGH OF THEM. One diligent hunter with decent skills could put quite a dent in the population but do agree that hunting/trapping(arg) efforts have to be MAINTAINED or their population will increase unchecked. www.humanesociety.org/animals/coyotes/tips/against_killing_coyotes.htmlGod Bless |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 8:18:03 GMT -5
Killing coyotes MUST impact coyote numbers. One at a time. To claim that it has no impact is to deny mathematical certainty. I've never understood that claim that shooting coyotes has no impact on their numbers. Poppycock, I say!  |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 15, 2014 8:21:25 GMT -5
Steve,
I don't know of any planned "re-introduction of coyotes"?
My feeling is the infiltrated from other states as they naturally expanded their territory.
I think I saw my first about 35 years ago.. Now, it is nothing to see or hear a pack .
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Post by Woody Williams on May 15, 2014 8:22:50 GMT -5
Killing coyotes MUST impact coyote numbers. One at a time. To claim that it has no impact is to deny mathematical certainty. I've never understood that claim that shooting coyotes has no impact on their numbers. Poppycock, I say! Agreed.. A good trapper can put bigger, and much quicker , dent in their populations. |
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Post by steve46511 on May 15, 2014 8:36:46 GMT -5
Steve, I don't know of any planned "re-introduction of coyotes"? My feeling is the infiltrated from other states as they naturally expanded their territory. I think I saw my first about 35 years ago.. Now, it is nothing to see or hear a pack . You are probably right and I have no facts to share but only a solid memory of "the general opinion" of it being the case some years back in an attempt to control the deer herd "naturally" and was the local scuttlebutt for some time (We all know the value of THAT, lol), but I will add that it was shortly after that that our local population became very noticeable. With them once being here, then practically gone for a very long time. it limits my imagination just HOW their population could increase much with their natural prey numbers being down dramatically from decades past without human interference. There is less cover as well. Again, I have no formal proof but their dramatic number increase just seems a little "artificial" looking at all factors. However if they truly did naturally come back with conditions as they are??? That raises more red flags than ever. A naturally growing population with comparatively less cover and food sources, understood or not, indicates their numbers will be tougher to control than we (I) think. Again, sorry, I have no facts to share so should have indicated so but this is the belief here, right or wrong. Worth looking into I suppose but.....I guess the HOW is unimportant, They ARE HERE and being mostly nocturnal I have the opinion that their numbers are greater than one may think. Two weeks ago I saw one while I was driving down the road not 50 yards from me. That critter was no more afraid of me than the tree next to him. It was also one of the few I have seen in bright sunlight being close to noon and why I recall it so vividly, being a very rare incident for me. God Bless |
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Post by steve46511 on May 15, 2014 8:57:17 GMT -5
More indication that you are right Woody (Hardly "new"  ) I stand corrected. It seems their numbers have been growing longer than I was aware. Interesting to me that HERE, I have talked to local trappers and each indicated they never caught a coyote till about 12 years ago. Maybe they just "decided" to infiltrate Marshall County.  From the INDNR site "DISTRIBUTION AND ABUNDANCE Fur buyer reports of coyote pelt purchases show coyotes are present in all sections of the state. Coyote pelts first became noticeable in the fur harvest of 1971 when 30 hides were reported sold. The numbers of pelts annually purchased during the early and mid 1970s doubled and tripled in some years. By 1978, about 2,500 pelts were purchased by Indiana fur buyers. Since then, statewide coyote abundance has continued to increase at a much slower rate as coyotes continue to expand into previously unoccupied habitat. " God Bless |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 15, 2014 9:24:18 GMT -5
"2500 pelts in 1978" is close to the year I saw my first one. It was a big male and he trotted by right behind my stand. I was do dumb founded I never even picked up my bow... I'm just hoping the mountain lions keep them in check..  |
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Post by throbak on May 16, 2014 14:32:37 GMT -5
Killing coyotes MUST impact coyote numbers. One at a time. To claim that it has no impact is to deny mathematical certainty. I've never understood that claim that shooting coyotes has no impact on their numbers. Poppycock, I say! Agreed.. A good trapper can put bigger, and much quicker , dent in their populations. The workshop I went to this winter addressed just that when there is plenty of food and you shoot a bunch of adults the ones left will have litters of up to 16 , if left alone, small litters are born they will not have more pups than they can feed, and with their territorial attitudes they wont let others move in so the more you shoot with plenty of food the more babies to take up the slack |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 16, 2014 15:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by windingwinds on May 16, 2014 17:13:01 GMT -5
As a livestock owner I am not willing to let any coyote walk if I have a shot. Two of my neighbors started actively shooting yotes, the numbers have decreased last couple years. Either they started to avoid our general area or the hunting worked. End result is less coyotes to worry about.
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Post by tenring on May 16, 2014 19:51:42 GMT -5
An acquaintance that works at a large facility in Greene County has suggested to me that mountain lions will have coyotes for lunch on a regular basis.
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Post by duff on May 28, 2014 16:33:22 GMT -5
Agreed.. A good trapper can put bigger, and much quicker , dent in their populations. The workshop I went to this winter addressed just that when there is plenty of food and you shoot a bunch of adults the ones left will have litters of up to 16 , if left alone, small litters are born they will not have more pups than they can feed, and with their territorial attitudes they wont let others move in so the more you shoot with plenty of food the more babies to take up the slack I agree with you, an average person killing a yote or 2 is not doing anything to the overall population dynamics. If that was the case many areas would be void of them. It ain't gonna happen. That said...kill em all. |
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