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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 9, 2014 17:44:10 GMT -5
I consider a 410 to be an experts gun. Since this is in the deer forum I'drathersee theyoungster with a 357mag rifle with a proper load Agreed.. I said no to the 28 gauge and asked them to reconsider the .410..
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Post by cedarthicket on Jan 9, 2014 19:20:51 GMT -5
As Woody noted earlier: www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/3-0315213and, www.brennekeusa.com/cms/fileadmin/BrennekeUSA/Hunting/user_upload/Dokumente/GOA_Artikel.pdfI agree the 28 gauge smoothbore shotgun loaded with Brenneke slugs is “adequate” as an Indiana deer gun. You just need to limit your shots to YOUR effective range (for a smoothbore shotgun that is probably around 50 to 60 yards for many hunters). But, then again that advice applies to whatever rifle, shotgun, handgun, bow, or crossbow you want to use! Although it may not happen anytime soon, a commercially-made, rifled-bore 28 gauge pump shotgun would make a sweet little deer gun. Can you also picture a combo with an extra barrel with choke tubes? Regarding the .410 smoothbore shotgun, loaded with the current Forster type slugs (and even the Brenneke slugs), it is pretty anemic – especially at or near the maximum range at which you could consistently hit the vital “boiler room” of a deer. However, as with the larger gauge shotguns, if you make a .410 shotgun with a rifled bore, and load the shot shells with .410 diameter bullets of 210 grains or more, you would have a very acceptable deer gun. Basically, keeping pressures to operating SAAMI standards for .410 bore shotgun shells, you would for practical purposes have the equivalent of a .41 Magnum rifle. And, the idea is not new. For more information you may want to check this link: hoeningbigboresouth.com/index.htmlAs a matter of fact, several years ago I did some of what is noted in the above link (shortly after Indiana first allowed the use of .410 bore shotguns for deer hunting). It works, but I don’t want to go into detail and hijack this thread.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 10, 2014 7:20:27 GMT -5
I got on and added my thoughts. I'm not sure if I kept dozing off because of the painkillers or if my mind kept rambling, but I was on there for a little more than two and a half hours.
The only thing that made me curious was the line that DNR personnel would sort through input then in would become public record. I wish the website would have sent a conformation email for each input submission that included that submission. I think that would provide everyone proof of what was submitted and no one could claim that their submission was altered. I also hope that each submission is presented to the NRC in its entirety and they are not "summarized" and grouped together for presentation. With the amount of incoming information, I am sure that someone could read several different ideas and group them together when they actual ideas do not say the same thing.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 10, 2014 8:14:36 GMT -5
I typed mine all out in Word first and then did just a copy and paste into their website. The original is saved on my PC.
They will compile all of it and then decide which items to go forward with.
The "My ideas" can also be used. They don't need an overwhelming response on any "my idea" to go forward with that suggestion. It only takes one suggestion to get the ball rolling.
From what I have seen on other sites the I want "the gun season shortened and moved back" boys are back to try that again.. If you want the gun and MZ season to be left alone you'd better state that in your input.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 10, 2014 9:26:18 GMT -5
IIRC, Georgia allows firearms to be used most if not all of the annual deer hunting season. They also have a two buck limit along with a ten antlerless limit per year. They don't seem to have any deer-pocolypse issues.
But hey, personal agendas are always more easily and passionately argued than science.
Are my suggestions within the scope of a personal agenda? Of course. But they also have basis in science and benefit more than they hinder.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jan 10, 2014 9:44:17 GMT -5
IIRC, Georgia allows firearms to be used most if not all of the annual deer hunting season. They also have a two buck limit along with a ten antlerless limit per year. They don't seem to have any deer-pocolypse issues. But hey, personal agendas are always more easily and passionately argued than science. Are my suggestions within the scope of a personal agenda? Of course. But they also have basis in science and benefit more than they hinder. What, if anything, does Indiana have in common with Georgia?? The model we need to be following is Ohio, we already followed their lead with crossbows. Now it is time to shorten and move firearms seasons. Indiana DNR is going to "opportunity" this state until the herd can't recover. I might get me one of them crossbows.
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Post by throbak on Jan 10, 2014 10:52:46 GMT -5
Hears what concerns me and will be posted As of now there are NO regulations on Catfish on our Commercially fished Rivers in Indiana PROBLEM ...... There is an increasing Demand for Trophy Catfish for the 3 to 5 HUNDRED pay lakes in the Tri state Area ....... The One over limits per day are welcomed. But with the Prices that these large Fish bring there are ways around these laws and for the CF it will be business as usual.. We must STOP the selling of these WILD Fish that belong to us all and leave them in the Rivers where they can be enjoyed by all there is no other wild animal native to Our state that can be Bought, caught or sold ..A complete Ban on CF for Catfish needs to be implemented NOW ,,Make that yesterday ,, Not controlled with size restriction that no one will pay any attn to but us Sport fishermen MAKE CATFISH A SPORT FISH
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Post by firstwd on Jan 10, 2014 12:26:07 GMT -5
Throbak, I'm with you.
Freedomhunter, answer me this. Since we are a one antlered deer a year state, what does it matter when or with what equipment a hunter takes that deer? If the state can get settled on a socially acceptable deer herd what does it matter when or with what equipment the Hunter uses to fill those alloted antlerless tag?
Like I ask in my Hunter Ed classes, what will kill you deader a 12 gauge or a .22?
As far as the herd not being able to recover, I believe history already proves that it can recover from anything.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jan 10, 2014 12:38:01 GMT -5
Throbak, I'm with you. Freedomhunter, answer me this. Since we are a one antlered deer a year state, what does it matter when or with what equipment a hunter takes that deer? If the state can get settled on a socially acceptable deer herd what does it matter when or with what equipment the Hunter uses to fill those alloted antlerless tag? Like I ask in my Hunter Ed classes, what will kill you deader a 12 gauge or a .22? As far as the herd not being able to recover, I believe history already proves that it can recover from anything. Yeah that is what worries me is the herd will take years to recover and the opportunity guys will lose credibility and eat some crow
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Post by throbak on Jan 10, 2014 14:42:20 GMT -5
One thing most dont know is when you Kill a 50 lb large Flathead or Blue in MOST cases it will take up to 50 YEARS to replace on average a 10lb blue or flat head is 10 to 15 years old In Indiana Rivers the average life in a paylake is 6months then back to the river for more This resource WILL disappear right under our noses and be gone before it is recognized as a problem with todays technology it can happen that quick Think about it a Buck Deer can be 200 inches in 4years a 50 lb catfish FIFTY YEARS to replace these 80 and 90 lb fish are older than I will say EVERY ONE READING THIS This Has to STOP NOW
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Post by freedomhunter on Jan 10, 2014 16:14:57 GMT -5
One thing most dont know is when you Kill a 50 lb large Flathead or Blue in MOST cases it will take up to 50 YEARS to replace on average a 10lb blue or flat head is 10 to 15 years old In Indiana Rivers the average life in a paylake is 6months then back to the river for more This resource WILL disappear right under our noses and be gone before it is recognized as a problem with todays technology it can happen that quick Think about it a Buck Deer can be 200 inches in 4years a 50 lb catfish FIFTY YEARS to replace these 80 and 90 lb fish are older than I will say EVERY ONE READING THIS This Has to STOP NOW 50lb flatheads are tasty..mmm cheek meat yummy
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Post by throbak on Jan 10, 2014 16:54:39 GMT -5
One thing most dont know is when you Kill a 50 lb large Flathead or Blue in MOST cases it will take up to 50 YEARS to replace on average a 10lb blue or flat head is 10 to 15 years old In Indiana Rivers the average life in a paylake is 6months then back to the river for more This resource WILL disappear right under our noses and be gone before it is recognized as a problem with todays technology it can happen that quick Think about it a Buck Deer can be 200 inches in 4years a 50 lb catfish FIFTY YEARS to replace these 80 and 90 lb fish are older than I will say EVERY ONE READING THIS This Has to STOP NOW 50lb flatheads are tasty..mmm cheek meat yummy If your ok with being part of the problem go ahead and be a smart A--I dont think your cute, your discusting
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Post by firstwd on Jan 10, 2014 17:02:03 GMT -5
I realize deer is the biggest interest, but maybe this thread would better fit in the campfire or the outdoor legislation area?
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Post by greghopper on Jan 10, 2014 18:47:55 GMT -5
Personally I like the KY "model" if we need to follow anyone.......just saying
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Post by windingwinds on Jan 10, 2014 19:53:58 GMT -5
We should follow our own model. That being said, either make baiting laws more specific or just allow it. The way it's written now if I sit on the fence line now, I could be counted as baiting since the neighbor has mineral tubs for his cows out there. Not that I sit on the fenceline, but I could see where this can be used by antis to stop a neighbor from hunting.
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Post by duff on Jan 10, 2014 20:07:37 GMT -5
All you have to be guilty of is hunting deer that have been influenced by the bait...cattle minerals
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Post by GS1 on Jan 10, 2014 21:04:04 GMT -5
We should follow our own model. That being said, either make baiting laws more specific or just allow it. The way it's written now if I sit on the fence line now, I could be counted as baiting since the neighbor has mineral tubs for his cows out there. Not that I sit on the fenceline, but I could see where this can be used by antis to stop a neighbor from hunting. Actually that's considered a normal farming practice and wouldn't be considered baiting. Same as if a farmer spills grain.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 10, 2014 21:19:24 GMT -5
We should follow our own model. That being said, either make baiting laws more specific or just allow it. The way it's written now if I sit on the fence line now, I could be counted as baiting since the neighbor has mineral tubs for his cows out there. Not that I sit on the fenceline, but I could see where this can be used by antis to stop a neighbor from hunting. ^^^^ THISThere is something in there about "normal farming practices" but it would still be a CO's call..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 21:25:26 GMT -5
Yes. There should be no question about it...but there always seem to be gray areas and "judgement calls". I say allow mineral sites year round. Just don't allow stands within 100 yards or something definite like that. Problem solved.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 11, 2014 6:02:25 GMT -5
I don't remember, was the baiting suggestion deer specific? I ask, because like legal firearms, we have multiple rules that are situational.
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