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Post by jajwrigh on Aug 12, 2005 0:05:16 GMT -5
I currently have a Rem 870 deer model shotgun for my deer gun. It has a rifled barrel and iron sights. I want to put a scope on it and I was curious if the b square is a reliable and reputable scope mount. I don't think I can justify the new barrel just because it has the scope mount attached. Thoughts and opinions please....if you have used either one of these setups or both, feel free to share your eperiences.
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Post by cday on Aug 12, 2005 1:56:59 GMT -5
Yes the "B"Square scope mount is a very durable and good product. We have them on all of our slug guns which are Browning Auto 5. Also you will like the tunnel under the scope mount which allows you to still use your rifle sights if you have to.
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Post by steiny on Aug 12, 2005 6:23:43 GMT -5
I would stay away from that B Square mount, if you want to receiver mount your scope. Instead have a gunsmith mount a good scope base atop of your receiver. Along with a heavy set of rings, this is a much more "solid" scope mounting system than B Sqaure. Shotgun recoil is extreme, and you need the heaviest base and rings possible. Plus the B Square has a tendancy to scratch up the blueing on the side of your receiver.
You mention a cantilever barrel. IMO that is a better choice than either of the above options, as the barrel and receiver are "two seperate pieces" on an 870, and there may be slight movement causing accuracy issues. With cantilever mount, your scope is attached to barrel, eliminating that issue.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 12, 2005 7:00:58 GMT -5
Steiny nailed it..
The Remington 870 barrel floats in the reciever. One little bump and your zero goes to hades in a handbasket.
If you scope is mounted to the barrel it doesn't matter if the barrel moves as the scope will move with it maintaining it's zero..
If your rifled barrel has a rib on it Remington makes a cantilever that fastens to the rib. They retail for a little under $50. I have one on my turkey barrel and it is as good as the regular cantilever on my deer barrel.
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 12, 2005 11:49:17 GMT -5
I have had the B-Square on my 870 for over 10 years....I take my barrell off for cleanings and put it back on.
In the over 10 years I have had this set up, I have NEVER had to re-zero my scope......it's never moved a smidge!!!
I have prolly shot at least 500 rounds of remington 2 3/4 inch slugs through this set up. I have NEVER missed a deer (that I shot at) with this gun....I never shoot at anything over 75 yards though.
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Post by jajwrigh on Aug 12, 2005 12:53:46 GMT -5
That may be th route I go because I am bidding on one right now on ebay. Cheaper than new and its barely used.
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Post by John on Aug 12, 2005 15:00:13 GMT -5
jajwrigh:
There is also another route. Done by a Gunsmith. I had the scope mounted to the reciever, then the Barrell dedicated to the reciever by way of, allen key lock that is tapped into the barrell just enough to lock the barrell in place (through the reciever). You need only to make sure that when you use the barrell to tighten in place properly, then tighten allen key and you are set at zero again. This way you can use your gun for many different purposes and still switch barrells when neccessary and have scope, i.e., Turkey barrell, Deer etc.
John
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Post by John on Aug 12, 2005 15:04:47 GMT -5
Otherwise it's Cantilever as best. Just wanted you to know there is another way and get excellent results.
John
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 12, 2005 15:42:33 GMT -5
Otherwise it's Cantilever as best. Just wanted you to know there is another way and get excellent results. John I agree.. I've never got a B Square to hold a zero..
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Post by steiny on Aug 12, 2005 17:39:37 GMT -5
Good point, John about pinning barrel to the receiver.
I've got one gun set up this way and it works fine. That makes a good set up, and was about as good as you could get prior to cantilevers coming out.
However I don't think most guys would go to the trouble. Most are happy to hit a pie plate at 75 yards.
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Post by John on Aug 13, 2005 7:21:40 GMT -5
steiny:
I agree. However, a pie plate at 75 yds. is off the animal at 125 to 135 yds. This is not acceptable to me. If your going to take 75 yd. shots or less , then you may as well stay with a smooth bore and Foster type slugs. I personally need the extra range, for many reasons. Cantilevers are the way to go for most people. However the price goes up with it. I probably wouldn't recomend this method I stated to most people, but they should know their options.
John
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Post by John on Aug 13, 2005 7:30:25 GMT -5
Also they should know that with a rifled barrell they are to shoot sabot shells, which are for better long range and much more precise than a pie plate at 75 yds. And not be shooting foster type slugs through a rifled barrell or they will badly foul the barrell with lead and it will be extremely hard to clean out of the lands.
John
P.S.: Not trying to upstage you Steiny, just want these people to know, if they don't already.
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Post by steiny on Aug 13, 2005 15:26:08 GMT -5
Your assesments are on target John. My neighbor shoots the Brenneke, Foster style slugs out of his rifled barrel and brags about how good they shoot. He's pretty typical of the general firearms hunter IMO. Never takes the time to sight in beforehand ... It was O.K. last year. Gets a box of slugs and a license the night before season, throws on the Carharts and an orange sock hat and goes hunting.
I just kinda roll my eyes and shake my head. I reckon if he's happy, I'm happy.
Oh yeah .... he usually gets a deer too.
Like you, I like to know my equipment and get the best possible performance out of it. We hunt pretty open farm country and the longer you can effectively shoot, the better your odds of success in many cases. 200 Yard slug shooting is very doable with the right weapon, under the right conditions, with the aid of a laser range finder.
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