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Post by GS1 on Dec 10, 2013 20:54:49 GMT -5
I think warrick county doesn't have any deer at all and all the state needs to take away the anterless season and drop the anterless deer limit to 1 or maybe even none until the population grows. I think you might be hunting the wrong part of Warrick county. There may not be as many deer as 15 years ago, but there are a few on here that would disagree with you.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 10, 2013 21:41:48 GMT -5
You kill a doe that is carrying twins or triplets and that adds up to 3-4 for next year in my book. I've never seen a doe breed triplets. Thats new to me. With the mortality rate of fawns, you won't get 2 fawns to mature with every bred doe.
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 10, 2013 21:53:38 GMT -5
Mortality rates for fawn's in most area's is approx. 40%. But I have seen lot's of does with set's of triplet's 9n my area. A lot depends on your local age structure of your does. Immature does are gonna have 1 fawn. 2-3 year olds twin's in most case's. Your 4 and 5 and 6 year olds it's not uncommon for trip's. Wheather those fawn's live to adulthood is the question?? I will say it has been my experience that the older the doe the move likely the fawn's will survive. Because older does usually have better maternal instincts and also usually get the preferred fawning habitat.
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Post by bigoaksslayer on Dec 10, 2013 22:14:29 GMT -5
I think warrick county doesn't have any deer at all and all the state needs to take away the anterless season and drop the anterless deer limit to 1 or maybe even none until the population grows. I think you might be hunting the wrong part of Warrick county. There may not be as many deer as 15 years ago, but there are a few on here that would disagree with you. I understand and I've only been alive for 15 years and I've only taken 3 deer in warrick county 2 bucks and a doe but if I go to my grandparents in vermillion county I have killed over 15 deer in 6 years and yes I do know I'm hunting the wrong part of the county.
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Post by chriskline on Dec 12, 2013 8:26:19 GMT -5
I understand and I've only been alive for 15 years and I've only taken 3 deer in warrick county 2 bucks and a doe but if I go to my grandparents in vermillion county I have killed over 15 deer in 6 years and yes I do know I'm hunting the wrong part of the county. so... you've gottten 18 deer in 6 years.... i dont think you should be complaining
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Post by swilk on Dec 12, 2013 8:29:18 GMT -5
You kill a doe that is carrying twins or triplets and that adds up to 3-4 for next year in my book. I've never seen a doe breed triplets. Thats new to me. With the mortality rate of fawns, you won't get 2 fawns to mature with every bred doe. I see triplets about every year. I saw one doe with quads this year but I very, very seriously doubt they were all hers. Not sure exactly what happened but on more than one occasion I saw her and the 4 fawns.
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Post by schall53 on Dec 12, 2013 8:51:43 GMT -5
Now that is a good mama.
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Post by swilk on Dec 12, 2013 8:54:56 GMT -5
Probably raising her daughters kids .... grandma is stuck while the mom goes out all night and parties.
Oh wait ... thats how some people are. Not deer.
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Post by henson59 on Dec 12, 2013 9:11:35 GMT -5
You kill a doe that is carrying twins or triplets and that adds up to 3-4 for next year in my book. So are you saying you don't kill does? The odds of all three triplets surviving are pretty slim.
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Post by throbak on Dec 12, 2013 9:29:15 GMT -5
Going to be bred and have twins ,already bred carrying twins, Not one bit of difference IMO. the only way you can have any control on deer futures and still shoot does is shoot the fawns in late Nov or DEC and now Jan when they are bigger ( have more meat) because studies prove survival of fawns from fawns is low or none and with any kind of a problem they are the ones lost. so I will shoot a late fawn every time when given the option
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Post by schoolmaster on Dec 12, 2013 11:59:38 GMT -5
OK I think that the state should sell a trophy buck license that allows a hunter to take one antlered buck in a season. The buck season should be offered every third year. This will allow the bucks to fully develop their maximum potential as 3.5 or 4.5 or 5.5 or older deer. Further restrictions should be 8 or more points, and as wide as their ears. Also button bucks should be protected and not allowed to be taken. This will allow the maximum number of trophy bucks in the herd. Trophy hunters do not always fill their buck tag every year as a certain number of dedicated trophy hunters opt not to shoot a smaller buck. Meat hunters will continue to control the herd numbers by shooting does. Also coyotes should be taken off the game animal status and be considered vermin to be taken any time by any means. We will never be able to get rid of them but we should be able to cut their numbers down. I realize my thoughts will be unpopular to some but when I look at the number of trophy deer I have taken, I do not average 1 every three years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 12:13:46 GMT -5
Point restrictions and width restrictions don't work well. I've seen some fully mature monsters that aren't "past their ears". I've also seen some monster 6 pointers. Woody shot a big one a few years back, if memory serves. I wouldn't mind seeing them protect button bucks, perhaps a small fine for killing one, but Id hate to see that done to a youth hunter. The every 3 years for a buck would never get passed. I agree with your coyote proposal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 12:20:59 GMT -5
Actually, a real big 6 pointer is on my hunting "bucket list". I think they are really cool and pretty rare.
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Post by GS1 on Dec 12, 2013 12:22:55 GMT -5
I realize my thoughts will be unpopular to some but when I look at the number of trophy deer I have taken, I do not average 1 every three years. Most guys I know shoot trophy deer each season. Due to the fact that they are not all wrapped up in what a deer scores or how many winters a deer has lived. They are more worried about the "little" things like how enjoyable it is to be outdoors, prepare for the season year round, spend time with family and friends and introduce others to the sport. They also realize that they have neither the time or resources to shoot the deer like they see shot on tv and realize how good of an outdoorsmen they are and set their expectations based on that, not try to change the way others have to hunt so they can be happy. They take care of their property or the property they hunt and let the neighbor do likewise. You could always quit hunting Indiana all together and start putting in for Iowa. They probably have the age structure you seek and you might get the option to hunt every three years...or 4-5 years.
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Post by mkfrench on Dec 12, 2013 12:51:49 GMT -5
OK I think that the state should sell a trophy buck license that allows a hunter to take one antlered buck in a season. The buck season should be offered every third year. This will allow the bucks to fully develop their maximum potential as 3.5 or 4.5 or 5.5 or older deer. Further restrictions should be 8 or more points, and as wide as their ears. Also button bucks should be protected and not allowed to be taken. This will allow the maximum number of trophy bucks in the herd. Trophy hunters do not always fill their buck tag every year as a certain number of dedicated trophy hunters opt not to shoot a smaller buck. Meat hunters will continue to control the herd numbers by shooting does. Also coyotes should be taken off the game animal status and be considered vermin to be taken any time by any means. We will never be able to get rid of them but we should be able to cut their numbers down. I realize my thoughts will be unpopular to some but when I look at the number of trophy deer I have taken, I do not average 1 every three years. This post amazes me. Am I not picking up on the sarcasm or are you serious? "Unpopular" isn't an accurate description of your thoughts ..."absurd" sums it up pretty well
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 12, 2013 12:57:50 GMT -5
OK I think that the state should sell a trophy buck license that allows a hunter to take one antlered buck in a season. The buck season should be offered every third year. This will allow the bucks to fully develop their maximum potential as 3.5 or 4.5 or 5.5 or older deer. Then we would lose hunters right and left. The DNR tried a no buck policy (actually they cut the antlers off then bucks and no pictures allowed)on the on early park hunts. That didn't fly well as folks just wouldn't put in for them.Further restrictions should be 8 or more points, I see quite a few basket 8 year and half olds every year. Do you think we should pass this guy and let him keep on passing on his six point genes? Yes, he was the bull of the woods where I killed him....and as wide as their ears. Pretty tough to judge from the side and there are some magnificent narrow rack bucks that have made B & C.Also button bucks should be protected and not allowed to be taken. How do you do that? They will be taken if not just accidently and then the "hunter" will leave them in the woods to not get finedThis will allow the maximum number of trophy bucks in the herd. Trophy hunters do not always fill their buck tag every year as a certain number of dedicated trophy hunters opt not to shoot a smaller buck. Meat hunters will continue to control the herd numbers by shooting does. Meat hunters should be able to kill a deer..any deer that they have a tag for. It is deer season after all.Also coyotes should be taken off the game animal status and be considered vermin to be taken any time by any means. We will never be able to get rid of them but we should be able to cut their numbers down. Agree...but that is pretty well a defacto position now. We can kill them anytime on our own land or with permission on other's ground.
I realize my thoughts will be unpopular to some but when I look at the number of trophy deer I have taken, I do not average 1 every three years. Isn't that enough?WW
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 12, 2013 14:04:44 GMT -5
NICE 6 point WOODY... Not many of us would pass that deer.!! Schoolmaster you may micro manage your hunting area's any way you see fit, but to suggest the state should to suit your supposed idea's is alittle far-fetched. Do you think the majority of deer hunter's in INDIANA think the same as you??? If you are not taking a "trophy deer" every year, maybe you need to look at what YOU are doing in your hunting area's and not what the STATE is doing for the whole state.
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 12, 2013 14:41:46 GMT -5
In addition to previous statement's I feel that the oppurnuity for the harvesting of a trophy class deer in Indiana ( Trophy defined: A deer over 125" )is at or near it's highest level as I've seen in my lifetime. (Been hunting for 36 year's) So schoolmaster if you want incresed antler size in your hunting area's you may want to impose your aforementioned restriction's. EX: Point restriction's, limited button harvest,increased predator hunting and only shooting buck's every 3 year's to your area's. I am sure that will increase your opportunity even furthur to harvest a "trophy deer", but don't expect the State to impose those rules state wide as they don't necasarily meet the states goals and objective's and I am sure don't meet many deer hunter's goals or objective's. The nice part about deer hunting is that if you own or lease your own property you can manage your local deer herd any way you want. Many do with great success and many don't and those who don't seem to want to blame "the state" or someone else for their inability to be successful.
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 12, 2013 17:21:27 GMT -5
OK I think that the state should sell a trophy buck license that allows a hunter to take one antlered buck in a season. The buck season should be offered every third year. This will allow the bucks to fully develop their maximum potential as 3.5 or 4.5 or 5.5 or older deer. Further restrictions should be 8 or more points, and as wide as their ears. Also button bucks should be protected and not allowed to be taken. This will allow the maximum number of trophy bucks in the herd. Trophy hunters do not always fill their buck tag every year as a certain number of dedicated trophy hunters opt not to shoot a smaller buck. Meat hunters will continue to control the herd numbers by shooting does. Also coyotes should be taken off the game animal status and be considered vermin to be taken any time by any means. We will never be able to get rid of them but we should be able to cut their numbers down. I realize my thoughts will be unpopular to some but when I look at the number of trophy deer I have taken, I do not average 1 every three years. I don't know what your definition of trophy is but if you use 125 ins i have only killed 1trophy in 30 plus yrs of hunting. Accully I have only seen 1 trophy while hunting but i have killed a bunch of trophys. like my first buck, a spike tjat stills has a promment place on my wall. and the 190 lb 7 pt buck we spent 19 hrs finding after i made a bad hit.These are my.trophys not some number If you have to.kill a.(trophy 125+) to have had a good season I am glad i am not you. Please read my post in ohio trip to see what i meen. I wish you all the luck in your endever but maby you should (stop and smell the roses along the way) onebentarrow
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 12, 2013 19:42:47 GMT -5
Going to be bred and have twins ,already bred carrying twins, Not one bit of difference IMO. the only way you can have any control on deer futures and still shoot does is shoot the fawns in late Nov or DEC and now Jan when they are bigger ( have more meat) because studies prove survival of fawns from fawns is low or none and with any kind of a problem they are the ones lost. so I will shoot a late fawn every time when given the option Have you read studies that showed that the older a doe gets the less likely she will produce both a male and female fawn?
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