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Post by practicalsportsman on Oct 24, 2013 23:23:04 GMT -5
I have lost land that i have hunted for over 18-20 years due to leasing and i slowly started adding things up. The first few years the OBR was put in place hunting seasons were relatively the same as always, you got up early and went to your hunting property and hunted no questions asked. Over the last three years of the OBR i have seen more and more leasing and a bigger push from the trophy hunters in this state to make this a trophy state, which it's not nor should ever be. I think it's time some of us hard working and hunting Hoosiers should make the NRC implement a $25,000.00 lease license where both landowners and lease holders must have per hunter, it's just an idea I had. The only other thing i could say would be nice is if the state leased out ground for us hard working and hunting Hoosiers, that way we can take our kids hunting without worrying about a thing. Only other alternative would be to remove the OBR somehow.
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Post by deadeer on Oct 25, 2013 0:52:12 GMT -5
I agree, leasing is taking over a lot of land recently. Never thought that could happen here.
Jay
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Post by salt on Oct 25, 2013 5:33:46 GMT -5
I lease and I love it. I work hard and save my nickels and dimes all year so that I can pay my share of it. This was a property that I had already had permission to hunt before I offered the landowner some cash. This is the best way to insure that my children and I will have a safe hunt. It took about a year before word spread that trespassers would be prosecuted. Haven't had much trouble since. The landowner is happy because he gets a little extra cash and doesn't have to tell people No when they ask them permission to hunt. He gives them my number and I tell them No! OBR had NOTHING to do with my decision to lease. Safety for my children and the ability to put in food plots or manage things is what did it for me. My wife and I rented an apartment for several years before buying our first house. I will be leasing hunting ground until I can afford to buy my own.
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Post by kirch86 on Oct 25, 2013 6:25:16 GMT -5
The only other thing i could say would be nice is if the state leased out ground for us hard working and hunting Hoosiers, that way we can take our kids hunting without worrying about a thing. Don't they already do this? It is called public land hunting. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 6:33:45 GMT -5
A piece of ground that has "magic mud" demands a hefty price. Good luck if you find some
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Oct 25, 2013 6:47:18 GMT -5
Practicalsportsman- I am sorry you lost your ground. It must be really hard to deal with. I myself can not afford to lease. But what I lack in dollars I make up for in labor. Both properties were I hunt I put in "free" labor such as mending fences, baling hay, cleaning fences rows, etc. Leasing is on the rise but I'm not sure I would solely blame the OBR. I'm sure it has a contributing factor somewhere but not all together. I think that hunters and farmer practicing good sound QDM is also why we are seeing such a large number of trophies being taken and therefore making Indiana desirable. Celebrity hunters coming into the state as well as a few TV shows that are from and film in Indiana (one group is four miles from my house) are other factors as well.
I just hope and pray that my labor will still and always be enough to keep me on my farms and that the mighty dollar doesn't root me out. Again, sorry to hear you lost your land.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 6:58:51 GMT -5
There are many reasons a guy or group would get in on a lease. It makes no sense whats so ever that being able to kill one buck or two is one of them. One buck or two, someone can still have the same harvests goals and self imposed restrictions on what they shoot. The overall limit is not a factor on land leasing. Period.
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Post by jjas on Oct 25, 2013 7:18:20 GMT -5
I have lost land that i have hunted for over 18-20 years due to leasing and i slowly started adding things up. The first few years the OBR was put in place hunting seasons were relatively the same as always, you got up early and went to your hunting property and hunted no questions asked. Over the last three years of the OBR i have seen more and more leasing and a bigger push from the trophy hunters in this state to make this a trophy state, which it's not nor should ever be. I think it's time some of us hard working and hunting Hoosiers should make the NRC implement a $25,000.00 lease license where both landowners and lease holders must have per hunter, it's just an idea I had. The only other thing i could say would be nice is if the state leased out ground for us hard working and hunting Hoosiers, that way we can take our kids hunting without worrying about a thing. Only other alternative would be to remove the OBR somehow. Trophy deer (and the land they inhabit) are a hot commodity. I never dreamed I'd see the day when people would be willing to pay a thousand bucks (or more) for a new bow, leave $200 cameras in the woods or pay huge money to rent land to hunt on. But....it's that way now and it's not going to change. They aren't making more land so the costs are going to continue to rise. It's the future and (with all due respect) changing a reg or two won't stop this train...... |
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Post by deadeer on Oct 25, 2013 8:58:22 GMT -5
There is no doubt that the quality of deer has drastically improved here in the NW since the OBR has gone into effect. Each year bigger and heavier deer show up on the radar. Nothing wrong with that part!
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Post by mkfrench on Oct 25, 2013 10:22:47 GMT -5
You are miss directing your anger. OBR has nothing to do with leasing. I don't blame that 1st landowner for making some extra cash for their land(while most prices are ridicuousky high) I don't lease hunting land, mostly I hunt public but have NO doubt that leasing will come for me sooner than later. I don't like it but...
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 25, 2013 10:37:15 GMT -5
Just when you thought the OBR debate was dead and gone PracticalSportsman brings it back up..no surprise there.
Yes, leasing is caused by numerous things and the quest for trophy bucks is one of the many. The OBR was requested and put into place in an attempt to grow bigger bucks. So, in a very, very round about way the OBR can be considered part of the leasing equation.
Lease or buy is your choice, but the private ground is going to be used up by one or the other..
And as Si says - "That's a fact, Jack."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 11:15:01 GMT -5
after hearing tells from ps im surprised anyone in the country would even want to lease the ground he hunted. all that property had in years past was yearling does. thinking at one point he even stated that the best hunteers on this site couldnt kill a mature buck off of his place. the obr had nothing to do with the leasing. irreasponsible people leaving gates open rutting up fields and disrespecting the landowners request is one of the main reasons leasing is here. the other is simply money talks. farms are non money makers when the crops are harvested. why not get some more income from the wooded property that they cant farm for just allowing people to hunt. seems pretty common sense if you own a farm to make as much money as you can of that land. thats why they lease it out. not the obr.
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Post by ncmountainman on Oct 25, 2013 12:45:17 GMT -5
I've hunted the same 90 acre farm for about 16 years now. We used to could hunt the adjoining 250 acres of hardwoods but some dandies out of Louisville leased it from the neighbor. Oh well...
Used to have another 200 acre place that was mostly fields and bordered a quarry where they didn't allow hunting. That disappeared for us a few years ago also.
Still, I am very blessed to have the 90 acres to hunt. Myself, the landowner, and two locals have hunted together all these many years and I love the friendship, fellowship, and hunting with them. I am blessed to be thought well of and they look forward to me coming each year. Landowner is now 70. One of these days we'll lose that place too. His son invited me to hunt his 100 acres last year and went coon hunting with me 2 nights also. His son has accompanied his father on an annual spring fishing trip to my home in the NC mountains for a couple of years now for large 3# + spotted bass and take home around 50 each year. Maybe our friendship will continue also.
When it ends.....it ends. I have great memories and can't see ever tainting it by being vain, envious, or disheartened. Man oh man, that Indiana deer hunting sure is special.
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Post by beermaker on Oct 25, 2013 17:23:06 GMT -5
If you would have asked me about leasing five years ago, it would have been an emphatic "hell no!" However, circumstances change. I no longer have time to drive 75 minutes one-way to get to really good public land. There is a wealth of land closer to me, but way too crowded for my taste. Simple math tells me that I could lease the 80 acres that me and two buddies share by myself for 30 years and will have paid enough for about 15 acres if I were trying to purchase. I do not for see being able to purchase enough ground outright. In my area, it is hard to find private land that is not already being hunted by either the landowner or their family. I completely understand that. While growing up in a different part of the state, my brother and I had around 500 acres of family land to hunt all to ourselves. Like I mentioned above, circumstances change.
I don't attribute the leasing craze to the OBR whatsoever. One thing that I have observed is the fact that traditional family farm-farmers are passing on and their kids either don't farm, don't want the land, don't get along, or all of the above. It is very hard to make a living by farming unless you have a whole lot of land and own it outright. The old farmer dies and his four kids don't farm and don't want the land or the taxes. The land gets sold to people who have considerable financial resources, or to a larger farmer who has his own problem with people who want to hunt. My dad's family had 250 acres of ground in the OH River bottoms in SW IN. My uncle was supposed to be paying the taxes and rent to the estate because he farmed the 200 acres of fields. He was not doing so. The land was auctioned to the largest grain farmer in the area. He then sold the 50 acres of woods to a lawyer from Evansville. No one else will ever hunt that land. That was 50 acres the farmer would be paying taxes on without utilizing for income. That, people, is what farming has come to. Land is now viewed as either income or liability.
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Post by HighCotton on Oct 26, 2013 7:48:00 GMT -5
A piece of ground that has "magic mud" demands a hefty price. Good luck if you find some I've got to go with timex here. Real simple: If you want the "magic mud" you're gonna have to shell out the "magic greenies" in most cases!!! |
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