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Post by M4Madness on Sept 19, 2013 17:45:28 GMT -5
I always seem to push the envelope, so it's no wonder that when it came time to build a new deer gun, I chose to build an AR-15 PISTOL in 300 AAC Blackout. I only chose that caliber because I already own a 7.62 suppressor. If that caliber were legal for deer in a rifle configuration, I would have never built a pistol. But, you have to work within the rules set forth by the state, so this was the only way to hunt deer with this particular caliber.   |
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 19, 2013 19:48:11 GMT -5
Soooooo cool! Oh, I really like that. How long did you have to wait on the suppressor when you bought it? Would those be Barnes rounds? I'm thinkin' that rich people buy Barnes. Hey, I do have 300 Barnes 300AAC Blackout 110gr TAC-TX FB bullets, and some casings. Do you have a press and die for these? Here's my rifle:  Can I just take off the stock and call it a pistol? |
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 19, 2013 20:09:47 GMT -5
I bought all four of my suppressors 10 years ago in 2003. They wait back then was way less than today -- probably 4 months. I'm hearing that NFA transfers this year are taking at least twice that long.
You've got a good eye. Those rounds are Barnes 110-grain Vor-Tx. I wish I were rich. LOL! They normally run about $1.50 a round, but I got 140 of them for perhaps slightly under a buck each shipped from a guy a while back.
That's a sharp-looking 300 BLK rifle. That'd make an excellent coyote rifle. Sadly, you cannot legally remove the stock and replace it with a pistol tube. But, if it were built as a pistol first (like mine), you could swap back and forth between pistol and rifle configurations -- thanks to United States v. Thompson-Center Arms Company. So, you'd need to either start with a stripped lower and make its first build a pistol, or buy it new as a complete pistol.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 19, 2013 20:26:52 GMT -5
I bought all four of my suppressors 10 years ago in 2003. They wait back then was way less than today -- probably 4 months. I'm hearing that NFA transfers this year are taking at least twice that long. You've got a good eye. Those rounds are Barnes 110-grain Vor-Tx. I wish I were rich. LOL! They normally run about $1.50 a round, but I got 140 of them for perhaps slightly under a buck each shipped from a guy a while back. That's a sharp-looking 300 BLK rifle. That'd make an excellent coyote rifle. Sadly, you cannot legally remove the stock and replace it with a pistol tube. But, if it were built as a pistol first (like mine), you could swap back and forth between pistol and rifle configurations -- thanks to United States v. Thompson-Center Arms Company. So, you'd need to either start with a stripped lower and make its first build a pistol, or buy it new as a complete pistol. It makes no sense to me that I can't take the stock off and call it a pistol. It would make no difference being fired in the woods. I'm not sure that I understand the logic. Yep, I thought that I might shoot a coyote with it, but more than likely will never kill anything with it. That's a big scope on there Nikon 4x16; it will reach out a long way. I bought the scope when I bought my Benelli 30-06 to shoot deer in Wisconsin, but didn't make it up there. I need to sell some things that I don't need, but I sure like looking at them. Do you reload any ammo?
That sure is a good looking pistol!!! I hope you get a record buck with it. It would be so cool to get one with it. What kind of scope are you getting for it?
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 19, 2013 20:33:44 GMT -5
I don't currently handload, but have a local friend who does, so I may one day have him tinker with some loads for me -- once I get some brass stockpiled from shooting some of these rounds. LOL! As for optics, I haven't decided yet. There is no logic in most laws.  |
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 20, 2013 4:32:28 GMT -5
True far too often! Ought to be a fun one to take out.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 20, 2013 9:17:02 GMT -5
Nice looking set-up! I have a complete lower I built a while back (rifle), been going back and forth between the .300 and a big bore, 4.50 or 4.58. Probably would never see use on deer, even as a legal big bore.
The thing I like about the .300 is the option to use subsonic rounds and a suppressor. I think I could kill several hogs with this set-up before they caught on to what was happening.
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Post by fireater34 on Sept 21, 2013 19:00:23 GMT -5
Actually on the technical side the lower would have to be papered as a pistol. The pistol can be converted to a rifle, however once converted to rifle it cannot be converted back to pistol. Somehow or another the thompsons are the only ones that are excluded from that rule...
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 21, 2013 20:18:12 GMT -5
As of 2008, there is no longer a notation on a Form 4473 for lowers to be classified as a handgun or rifle, only "Other". That's why the age for purchasing a stripped lower from a dealer was changed from 18 to 21, since those under 21 are prohibited from purchasing handguns from a licensed dealer. The first build is what dictates what it will be forever classified as. The BATF has clarified their stance since US vs. Thompson Center Company to also include all other firearms in which parts are made for both pistol and rifle configurations, of which the AR-15 is one. Pistols can be swapped back and forth between pistol and rifle configuarations, as long as they were pistols first. Please see the ruling on the BATF's website: www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdfGoogle "ATF ruling 2011-4" for lots of gun forum discussions/celebrations when it was announced. |
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Post by fireater34 on Sept 22, 2013 7:05:55 GMT -5
My apologies, I missed all that!  |
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 22, 2013 11:04:44 GMT -5
My apologies, I missed all that! No apology necessary. |
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Post by coyote6974 on Nov 6, 2013 21:45:35 GMT -5
I have a stripped lower I've been considering building as a pistol. I just need to buy a pistol receiver extension for it. I know there's a minimum 4" barrel length for legal handguns. As I read the rule, I don't see any maximum barrel length for a handgun, just no shoulder stock capability. I want to use my 16" 6.8 SPC upper on it. Going to be a really long barreled pistol, but I really don't see any need to build a short barreled upper. Should make a fine deer pistol though.
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