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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 9:14:58 GMT -5
Not to be argumentative, but I'd call it spam more than anything. Looked to be designed to draw attention to your website as much as anything. I say that because this is the second time it's been a topic on this forum.
As for your poll, I do believe most "bow" hunters would take that shot. Most probably never look at start times or stop times while archery hunting. A few might do so with guns, but even then it's not many. For ducks and geese, yes, Deer it's generally daylight to dark. To highlight this point, you have to consider why they sell lighted pins, low light scopes, 50+mm Obj. lens on scopes, etc. made to make the shot during dusk and dawn periods.
I'd bet that never has anyone been cited for shooting too early with archery gear, and probably never anyone at dusk with archery gear. There may be a few cases with guns at dusk...maybe. But late and early shooting of waterfowl is a common infraction and one easily enforced. It would be nearly impossible to enforce early shooting with archery gear.
As for ethics, it's a personal thing. EVERYONE's is different. You can set yourself up on a pedicle and say mine or someone's else's are wrong, but that's only an opinion.
And don't let this post P u off, it's only my opinion as well.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 7, 2013 9:23:25 GMT -5
Not to be argumentative, but I'd call it spam more than anything. Looked to be designed to draw attention to your website as much as anything. I say that because this is the second time it's been a topic on this forum. As for your poll, I do believe most "bow" hunters would take that shot. Most probably never look at start times or stop times while archery hunting. A few might do so with guns, but even then it's not many. For ducks and geese, yes, Deer it's generally daylight to dark. To highlight this point, you have to consider why they sell lighted pins, low light scopes, 50+mm Obj. lens on scopes, etc. made to make the shot during dusk and dawn periods. I'd bet that never has anyone been cited for shooting too early with archery gear, and probably never anyone at dusk with archery gear. There may be a few cases with guns at dusk...maybe. But late and early shooting of waterfowl is a common infraction and one easily enforced. It would be nearly impossible to enforce early shooting with archery gear. As for ethics, it's a personal thing. EVERYONE's is different. You can set yourself up on a pedicle and say mine or someone's else's are wrong, but that's only an opinion. And don't let this post P u off, it's only my opinion as well. Time, respectable postings would never P me off. Disrespectful ones sure, I know of a few that have (not yours). I can see how you may feel it was spam, but know I get no revenue or advantage or rewards from having people visit my po-dunk blog/site. Next time though I'll be sure to just post it here for all to read and not do a link if I truly feel it's something I'd like others to read. I'm truly just a guy who feels thoughtful thinking on hunting regulations is a lost art form to some, and it is something everyone should think about from time to time if we're to protect the integrity of the sport we all love. Believe me, I by no means feel I'm a better person than any other soul here on Earth. What I succeed at others may fail at, and what I fail at others may succeed at. Am I proud of how I handle that situation...I guess the obvious answer is yes. Am I happy with how it was received when I shared the story with others...not so much, which means I DID SOMETHING WRONG IN MY DELIVERY. For some to take what I've said as me trying to be high mighty probably has more to do with my delivery than anything on their side of things...hence why it took me nearly 2 months to post the article, because I truly was hoping to avoid the "high and mighty" look, but also not sugar coat or go lax on my feelings of how integral we all are to the integrity of hunting. Ethics are personal thing and we all have different ones...and mine is once you cross the threshold of knowingly doing something illegal it's black and white. Timex, I got much respect for you hope you know that. |
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 7, 2013 9:24:33 GMT -5
Oh and this is not a re-hash of an old topic, the first one was merely me sharing the initial experience I had and how it was being received on another forum. I guess what I should have done was post this link on the old thread possibly...who knows. What is done is done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 9:42:59 GMT -5
I think you did an admirable thing in not taking a shot you felt was not ethical. Atta boy. My dislike for threads like this have nothing to do with the atta boy side of it. More so for the comments about being surprised about the poll results and what other people would have done in the same situation.
Thats why I asked about "other" violations indirectly related to hunting and the ethics involved. I'd guess that most any hunters, that travels a distance to their hunt, violates the law at least once in just getting there. Everybody does it, even the L.E. guys.
I know that most hunters take that shot you passed on. I'd not call any of them unethical. IMO, that law was created to combat night hunting, not early dawn or dusk. And in most cases, is unenforceable. When it comes to hunting, there are a few decisions that have to be made during the hunt that may be in conflict with the intent of the law. Guys that do those things are not criminals by any means. An example that is common is dispatching a wounded deer that is obviously going to die somewhere after legal shooting hours. Yes it's unlawful, but not unethical to do so.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 7, 2013 10:05:49 GMT -5
I think you did an admirable thing in not taking a shot you felt was not ethical. Atta boy. My dislike for threads like this have nothing to do with the atta boy side of it. More so for the comments about being surprised about the poll results and what other people would have done in the same situation. Thats why I asked about "other" violations indirectly related to hunting and the ethics involved. I'd guess that most any hunters, that travels a distance to their hunt, violates the law at least once in just getting there. Everybody does it, even the L.E. guys. I know that most hunters take that shot you passed on. I'd not call any of them unethical. IMO, that law was created to combat night hunting, not early dawn or dusk. And in most cases, is unenforceable. When it comes to hunting, there are a few decisions that have to be made during the hunt that may be in conflict with the intent of the law. Guys that do those things are not criminals by any means. An example that is common is dispatching a wounded deer that is obviously going to die somewhere after legal shooting hours. Yes it's unlawful, but not unethical to do so. Great example! I honestly haven't been presented with that, but know I would due to it being at that point an act of mercy not an act of harvest from my point of view. I was initially shocked by the poll results but as I had many a dialogue with a lot of the yes guys both publicly and private messages it became very clear like you stated some truly feel it isn't even a question of ethics. |
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 7, 2013 12:06:40 GMT -5
It really is. I'm adding ethics threads to my list of post deer season topics I don't need to see. If it's not illegal then I don't care how or why someone hunts. One Timex's ridiculous comment was directed towards a post not what I originally posted. Two, I find it hilarious that some people get so "put off" when ethics or character is brought up. You state "if it's not illegal then I don't care how or why someone hunts"...exactly! My whole post revolved around one situation where it would have been illegal if I'd released an arrow...and how despite it being illegal to do so how many hunters have stated they would have shot. My article's purpose was to spawn thinking, not more bickering or ill feelings...sorry if any were caused or felt on your end. In season or out of season, discussing character and ethically hunting is always appropriate. It was not aimed at you. These kind threads seem to deteriorate to something silly in the end: like HI's competition is some horrible curse on society and I just get tired of it. |
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 7, 2013 12:47:15 GMT -5
One Timex's ridiculous comment was directed towards a post not what I originally posted. Two, I find it hilarious that some people get so "put off" when ethics or character is brought up. You state "if it's not illegal then I don't care how or why someone hunts"...exactly! My whole post revolved around one situation where it would have been illegal if I'd released an arrow...and how despite it being illegal to do so how many hunters have stated they would have shot. My article's purpose was to spawn thinking, not more bickering or ill feelings...sorry if any were caused or felt on your end. In season or out of season, discussing character and ethically hunting is always appropriate. It was not aimed at you. These kind threads seem to deteriorate to something silly in the end: like HI's competition is some horrible curse on society and I just get tired of it. Oh okay I got ya. |
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