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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 11:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 25, 2013 11:41:08 GMT -5
Biden may be the biggest idiot who's 1 step away from the Presidency that we've ever had. I swear that's why Obongo chose him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 12:06:57 GMT -5
Biden doesn't even know which end of the gun, the bullet or buckshot comes out of.  |
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Post by Russ Koon on Jan 25, 2013 13:11:15 GMT -5
Closest to anything sensible I've ever heard the man say.
Although his reason for making the statement was to defend the ban on "scary guns", which I definitely do NOT agree with, I think the shotgun is the best choice for home defense.
Less danger of the projectiles continuing on through the walls into adjacent areas to cause unintended casualties, and considerably more stopping power to immediately end the threat posed by an intruder. Just the sound of the pump or the look at the end of a shotgun barrel pointed their way should be enough to convince any wrongdoer to go somewhere else as quickly as possible. And if they don't, less chance of them continuing the fight or being around to sue the defender after the fact. Easier for the homeowner to use effectively at short range as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 13:32:13 GMT -5
Russ, your missing the whole point. He's picking and choosing what firearms he wants you to own. On that note, how well do you think a shotgun, say a 870 with 10 shot tube do in a first grade school shooting?  Body count wise, more or less than a AR? |
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Post by kevin1 on Jan 25, 2013 15:11:15 GMT -5
A shotgun's blast of pellets is just as likely to penetrate drywall as any bulle, and can hit more bystanders.
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Post by daneowner on Jan 25, 2013 15:33:42 GMT -5
Closest to anything sensible I've ever heard the man say. Although his reason for making the statement was to defend the ban on "scary guns", which I definitely do NOT agree with, I think the shotgun is the best choice for home defense. Less danger of the projectiles continuing on through the walls into adjacent areas to cause unintended casualties, and considerably more stopping power to immediately end the threat posed by an intruder. Just the sound of the pump or the look at the end of a shotgun barrel pointed their way should be enough to convince any wrongdoer to go somewhere else as quickly as possible. And if they don't, less chance of them continuing the fight or being around to sue the defender after the fact. Easier for the homeowner to use effectively at short range as well. Russ, I hear and and can agree with you, Timex, the man said "Home" defense, and Kevin, he said "walls" Try setting up some and see if the shotgun gun blast goes thur as many as the high power rifle slug does. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 16:14:07 GMT -5
The issue isnt about what is best for home defense, its the 2nd. Amendment right to own whatever firearm you want.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jan 26, 2013 11:43:44 GMT -5
"ALTHOUGH HIS REASON FOR MAKING THE STATEMENT WAS TO DEFEND THE BAN ON "SCARY GUNS" WHICH I DEFINITELY DO NOT AGREE WITH....."
There, said it a little louder. Looking for the tools to make it a brighter color and larger font, if needed 8^).
No, I didn't miss the point. I'm a lifer in the NRA since '75 and a staunch defender of the RKBA, and politically an "extremist in the defense of liberty" since '64.
Just pointing out the lone scrap of good sense that is sometimes to be found in even a quote from the most liberal opponent, if we look hard enough.
And I stick with the recommendation that for use in defending the home, probably also the shop or workplace, the shotgun is the more appropriate choice for the stated reasons. I could add the use by the wife or half-grown child in home defense situations. The wife has scary good hand-eye coordination and PLENTY of accuracy shooting from the hip with the 12 gauge double she learned on, but would probably still be trying to remember where the safety was on an AR15 if it was needed.
For a shootout in the woods with well armed meth cookers, or repelling the loyalist troops if it becomes necessary during the revolution, or a number of other uses, the scary black rifles would be my choice, too.
When I'm out and about in the truck, hiking, or hunting, I prefer something easier to handle and conceal like my Ruger SP101, with the JHP's. It's simply a statement of which tool fits the job. I think we should be completely free to choose whichever one we want to use.
I have an 8# maul with a 32" handle. It does a nice job of splitting wood, but is pretty awkward for building small picture frames. I agree that the choice should be ours alone in matching the tool to our needs as WE see them. That would definitely include the scary black guns if that's your choice. Your home might be a lot bigger and more remote than mine, with fewer friendlies inside.
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Post by jamesaritchie on Jan 26, 2013 13:30:18 GMT -5
Just when I think Biden can't say anything dumber than what he's said in the past, he ups the ante and says something even stupider. You use an "assault" weapon the same way you use a shotgun. You aim it at the invader, you let off the safety, and you pull the trigger. It's not rocket science, and we all know how to use so-called "assault" weapons a heck of a lot better than Biden knows how to use his "brain".
And why is it no one in the government understands that we don't want these weapons to defend ourselves from home invaders, but from a tyrannical government that tries to take our freedom? Yes, I can defend my home from a common thug with a shotgun, or even with a handgun, but I need something bigger, better, and faster to defend myself from tyrants. I need the same weapons that might well be used against me.
This isn't about defending ourselves from thugs at home, it isn't about hunting, and it isn't about sport. Biden, and other liberals, make these statements because they're pandering to their own base, which is as ignorant about firearms and the 2nd Amendment as they are.
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Body count wise, more or less than a AR?