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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 19:54:35 GMT -5
Fines or other penalties for gun owners whose guns are used by another person in the commission of a crime?
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 17, 2013 20:02:48 GMT -5
lol...NO
If someone steals a car, then gets drunk and kills someone...should the registered owner be liable? Hardly
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 20:09:37 GMT -5
I'm talking more about a case of negligence. Say a parent who leaves a handgun unlocked and their kid gets ahold of it and takes it to school.
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Post by swilk on Jan 17, 2013 20:13:36 GMT -5
Let's say your brother takes one of your pencils and stabs his parole officer in the neck.
Should the pencil owner be punished?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 20:25:35 GMT -5
When I was a kid, many moons ago, there was no gun safes or trigger locks. Did not exsist. In my house, there were several guns. All four of us kids jnew where they were and could use any of them to target shoot or hunt when we wanted. My dad had a couple of war pistols that he brought home. I remember taking one of them to school onfe for show and tell, along with some of his other war stuff. I want to think it was like grade 4 or 5 during a history class on the subject of WWII. Nobody died or even got alarmed by it.
When you get down to it, you have to agree that guns dont kill people, people kill people.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 17, 2013 20:27:44 GMT -5
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Post by saltydog on Jan 17, 2013 20:28:01 GMT -5
NO !!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 20:37:23 GMT -5
Thanks for that link greghopper. I see Indiana has mild regulations in place against providing weapons to minors, but not for negligence.
That is a good resource.
I don't know for sure what I think about it. I just wanted to get some feedback. This came up in a debate I was having with a friend who is much more liberal than me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 22:00:26 GMT -5
Sounds like your teetering on moving left to the dark side?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 22:21:19 GMT -5
Heck no! You ought to see me out there doing battle on Facebook defending the 2nd Amendment. By the way, if any of you are on Facebook and want to look me up, I'd be happy to add you as a friend. You'll find me under my name, Shane Phipps. Don't worry about me Timex. As I said, I was just wanting some feedback on this particular question. I'm on your team when it comes to the 2nd Amendment!  |
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 18, 2013 5:29:16 GMT -5
Sounds like your teetering on moving left to the dark side? Yes it does. Absolutely not! People are responsible for their own actions - when did we forget that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 5:33:50 GMT -5
Fines or other penalties for gun owners whose guns are used by another person in the commission of a crime? |
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Post by tenring on Jan 18, 2013 6:39:31 GMT -5
NO!
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Post by squirrelhunter on Jan 18, 2013 12:33:51 GMT -5
NO!!!
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Post by joen on Jan 18, 2013 13:09:04 GMT -5
no
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Post by Russ Koon on Jan 18, 2013 13:54:52 GMT -5
The problem with the "safe storage" as a "sensible gun law" comes when there's noise in the night and someone is breaking in. Should the gun owner have to retrieve the gun from a safe and load it before using it to defend self and family?
That scenario plays out hundreds of times year, maybe thousands! How many of those instances which are usually unreported unless actual shooting takes place, would be resolved differently if the gun owner had to do so?
And would we make it a practice to retrieve the gun from the safe upon our return home each evening, to wear it or otherwise keep it under our immediate control overnight?
I think such restrictions would either cause many deaths among the gun owners who actually followed them, or more likely would simply be ignored like most other silly or harmful regulations.
The gun owner does have the personal responsibility to keep the weapon safe from inquisitive children and family members who are known to be less than responsible. But that should be another area where the individual can best balance the danger of misuse against the probability of the need for instant access, not some politician.
I can see the possibility of civil action after the fact against anyone who is actually irresponsible in finding a way to prevent the misuse, causing harm, but not a one-size-fits-all regulation that ignores personal responsibility and renders the gun owner either defenseless or criminal while responsibly providing for his family's protection.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jan 18, 2013 14:01:40 GMT -5
Oops, got a little off message there, jumped the track to a slightly different question.
Agree with the majority....no.
Swilk, like that example! 8^).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 14:50:47 GMT -5
IMO, it would be much better to teach kids, from the crib on up what guns are and when and why you might need to have one. Gun safety, and shooting basics could be taught as well, even in schools. Kids need to know that guns can be dangerous, same as a car or other ways people kill themselves. STOP sugar coating the fact that there are millions of guns out there already, and that stupid gun laws are not going to change anything.
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Post by swilk on Jan 18, 2013 14:56:49 GMT -5
A great line from nick cage to sean connery...... the second you don't respect this it will kill you.
That is what I teach my children about guns. Then I teach them the proper ways to show that respect.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jan 19, 2013 13:06:50 GMT -5
Those were my ways also.
I remember explaining to my son the importance of redundancy in checking to make SURE the guns were unloaded before putting them in the truck to come home, then checking them again before entering the house anyway. He did the checks, to be obedient and not have a hassle with the old man, but I knew it hadn't really hit home until the time we were going through the routine procedure on the front porch and a live round flew out and bounced across the floor. He had gone through the clearing procedure at the truck, and the ejectors had apparently missed picking up the last shell from the magazine.
Following that, we included a visual check to make sure of the clearing procedure as a part of the routine.
That incident also helped reinforce the instructions that he ALWAYS check again before handing his gun to a friend who wanted to see it, even though he "knew" it to empty.
It's sometimes harder for kids who haven't experienced Murphy's Law as much to accept that despite their good intentions and best efforts, if a thing CAN go wrong, it eventually will, and redundancy is a good way to prevent it. Sounds like more "kiddies, don't try this at home" parent talk until they actually see the failure of the single check.
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