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Post by sharp1 on Nov 14, 2012 22:00:30 GMT -5
So instead of listening to advice I gave my buddy, who wants to start going deer hunting with us, he bought a new 1187 with turkey barrel and a rifled choke tube to use. He also bought a scope that I helped him mount this evening. He has been out for work for a few weeks so today was the first time I have seen him and had a chance to get his scope on. I will also be helping him sight this gun in the next day or so. I am wondering if anyone has ever had any experience with a rifled choke tube, what shot better sabots or rifled slugs, I know every gun is different and your results probably will not be the same as what he gets. I am just looking for some kind of direction to start in so we can start in the right direction and he wont have to spend $100 to get to a baseline point. Wish he woulda just got a 870 combo. Thanks for any tips. Nothing like waiting for the last minute, which really aggravates me, but he has been a good friend of mine for many years and the other guys in the group are the brother and father of a bestfriend we lost a couple years back so it means alot to me to get him involved not only to introduce him to hunting but also to relive and here some great stories of our lost friend, I think it really helps his dad.
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Post by antiwheeze on Nov 14, 2012 22:12:20 GMT -5
So instead of listening to advice I gave my buddy, who wants to start going deer hunting with us, he bought a new 1187 with turkey barrel and a rifled choke tube to use. He also bought a scope that I helped him I am wondering if anyone has ever had any experience with a rifled choke tube, what shot better sabots or rifled slugs, I know every gun is different and your results probably will not be the same as what he gets. I am just looking for some kind of direction to start in so we can start in the right direction and he wont have to spend $100 to get to a baseline point. Wish he woulda just got a 870 combo. Thanks for any tips. Nothing like waiting for the last minute, which really aggravates me, but he has been a good friend of mine for many years and the other guys in the group are the brother and father of a bestfriend we lost a couple years back so it means alot to me to get him involved not only to introduce him to hunting but also to relive and here some great stories of our lost friend, I think it really helps his dad. I had used a choke tube on 11/87. Used cheap Winchester foster type slugs with it. Works great to 60 yards. Beyond that the pattern opens up too much. Foster slugs make big holes and put deer down quick! Great brush setup.
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Post by sharp1 on Nov 14, 2012 22:19:25 GMT -5
Was it a "rifled" choke tube? I never knew such things existed til he showed me.
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Post by js2397 on Nov 14, 2012 22:45:06 GMT -5
Remington Buckhammers work well if you can find them.
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Post by schoolmaster on Nov 15, 2012 0:28:28 GMT -5
Standard velocity BRI 3 inch.
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 15, 2012 5:41:09 GMT -5
Never used one but with a rifled tube you are supposed to use sabots.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 15, 2012 7:09:05 GMT -5
Never used one but with a rifled tube you are supposed to use sabots. ^^^^THIS^^^^^Try some Hornaday SSTs.
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Post by oldhoyt on Nov 15, 2012 7:17:09 GMT -5
I recall seeing some slow motion video of slugs shot from fully rifled barrels and also from smoothbores with rifled chokes. As I recall the slugs shot from the rifled chokes were spinning at about the same rate as the ones from fully rifled barrels. Accuracy was not quite as good though.
Your friend has options with slugs. Hybrid types like the buckhammers and sabot slugs are the best for rifled chokes. He could also install a modified or improved and shoot rifled slugs.
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Post by sharp1 on Nov 15, 2012 7:57:08 GMT -5
Thanks all, I appreciate it, I will post back results on what worked best.
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Post by antiwheeze on Nov 15, 2012 13:39:54 GMT -5
some rifled choke tubes claim to stabilize foster slugs (and when I used them many years ago they did help): www.ableammo.com/catalog/remington-choke-tube-extended-19616-extendedrifled-stainless-p-88187.htmlOn the other hand sabot type slugs are designed for rifled barrels for best accuracy. FWIW my taxi uses foster slugs in a fully rifled barrel. When I asked him about going against recommendations and wearing out the rifling, he thought it would be unlikely he would ever shoot the gun that much.....to each his own
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 18:47:57 GMT -5
Buy sabots. Foster are going the way of the dino. Any deer you kill is worth the extra few cents they cost.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 5:57:26 GMT -5
I know one thing I would never shoot a foster slug through my rifled Browning A-Bolt. Only sabot ammunition goes through its barrel. I think Remington has stopped making Buckhammer sabots though, at least that is what I've been told.
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 16, 2012 7:48:24 GMT -5
Yep; they are out of production. I still have 3-4 boxes. I'll save them in case I ever hunt IL or OH; too bad.
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 16, 2012 16:25:21 GMT -5
Breneke makes some great foster slugs that are very accurate out of smooth bore guns. Years ago anyone that had a Rem 870 Slugmaster with rifle sights and Breneke slugs had a top of the line equipment for Indiana.
I think greghopper on here still uses a smooth bore with foster type slugs and he usually kills a pretty nice buck. h.h.
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Post by indianagooseman on Nov 17, 2012 22:39:56 GMT -5
Standard velocity BRI 3 inch. Spot on. You'll have your best luck with Winchester BRI sabots.
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Post by daneowner on Nov 18, 2012 13:38:46 GMT -5
Federal Barnes expander 1oz solid copper sabot is what I shoot thur my Rem. 1100 with rifled barrel. In my old Rem. 870 smooth bore I used the win. super X foster type riflerd slug and took a lot of deer when them, they were deadly. I did keep most my shots under 75 yrds. Heck, I still do LOL!
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Post by swilk on Nov 19, 2012 16:01:25 GMT -5
Yep; they are out of production. I still have 3-4 boxes. I'll save them in case I ever hunt IL or OH; too bad. I bought every box of the particular lot number that Rural King had back in 2007 when I last used a slug gun. I think I should have enough to last my lifetime .... if I ever even use the gun again. Not sure why Remington stopped making them .... were the only slugs I could get to eject and group well out of my 1187.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 8:25:32 GMT -5
History lesson for today. I was the first person in the world to kill a WT deer with the Buckhammer. They were developed by a friend of mine in Elizabethtown, Ky. He gave me some prototypes still in a plain white box. Sighted in with them and killed a big doe the next morning at Ft. Knox. Took several pics of the major wound channel that the Hammer made. Those slugs were made because at the time Remington was behind WW and others with their plastic sabots and the accuracy wasn't there just yeat. The Buckhammers filled the void for a time period and never really became as popular as the sabot slugs.
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Post by swilk on Nov 20, 2012 11:14:57 GMT -5
I was most definitely a fan of them .... they werent flashy and didnt promise 200 yard performance like some on the market do but they shot well and knocked the crap out of deer.
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Post by sharp1 on Nov 20, 2012 19:37:55 GMT -5
update, Friday morning after I left the woods I had my buddy meet me at the range, figured it would be a little crowded but not as bad as it was. There was finally an opening at the 25yard spot and we started, I'm not sure where he found them but he brought about 15 boxes of slugs and 6-7 of them were Buckhammers, so thats what we used after hearing a lot of positives about them. First shot was about 2.5 ft low in the dirt, made some adjustments and got on paper with 2nd shot. by the 4th and 5th shot we had one ragged hole about 2'' high, so we moved to 50yds. Another wait for the 50 yd. Finally, got on and this time i let him shoot, as I am watching him steady and seeing the end of the barrel all over the place I thought oh boy we are gonna be chasing our tails over here. After a few tips and quite a few flyers I felt he was ready for his first season of deer hunting, and wouldn't you know it out of the whole group this weekend he is the only one that killed a deer, TWO at that!! I want to thank everyone for the advice and I told him that we can really get it dialed in over the summer and see what it's favorite round is. It was a good weekend I will add a write up and some pics in the deer hunting section. Thanks again fellas
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