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Post by duff on Oct 28, 2012 9:13:57 GMT -5
It's been a long time since I have hunted public property but when I used to hunt Mississenewa, if I would have only hunted areas w/o existing tree stands...I wouldn't have hunted. It's a bit different now with everyone having climbers but public property is just that and if you leave your stands expecting to keep others out...think again. It really is first come first serve. Isn't that why everyone desires to hunt private land?
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Post by charmerbaits on Oct 28, 2012 9:54:30 GMT -5
I don't agree with the whole concept of putting up stands on public ground, state park or not. I've been doing lots of scouting at a state park for a hunt I've got drawn for. My opinion is that the first morning I am drawn for I will go in with my climber and hunt one of the areas I've chosen from scouting. If someone has put up a stand but not in it when I get there I will hunt that area. Just because they hang a stand doesn't mean everyone has to stay out. I've put in many hours just like they have.
The only time you have reserved areas is on private land just like mentioned before. Hanging a stand on public ground doesn't mean its your area. If you want to hunt that area be the first there otherwise stay home. Now if you put a stand in the area and are the first there then have at it, but if someone is already in the area then have enough respect to back out. Same goes for marking tape or anything, you want to hunt it be there first, if not find another place.
I don't like anyone using marking tape, it clutters up the woods. If you can't find your way you have other issues. Many times I've taken down lots of marking tape because it looks like crap in the woods.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 10:00:39 GMT -5
I've hunted public lands in Ark. were nobody can enter until a certain time. That's what could happen anywhere if hunters can't manage to hunt without conflict. If I go into an area that has a stand up, I can figure that someone put that there with the intent to hunt it, and if I set up nearby, it can ruin the day if he decides to come in after I'm there. You have two guys on one acre, and several thousand acres with nobody on them. Does that make sense?
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Post by charmerbaits on Oct 28, 2012 10:34:50 GMT -5
All 3 stands I found on Hovey were all less than 300 yards apart. Heck two of them were about 80 yards apart. All around the same field.
As I mentioned before I probably won't go back to Hovey just because I'm not impressed with the overall deer sign. The state park hunt I was drawn for at Harmonie should be interesting. Still not a ton of sign for what I expected the way everyone talked. I found a couple really good looking areas with quite a bit of sign even a couple rubs and about 5 scrapes.
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Post by duff on Oct 28, 2012 10:34:59 GMT -5
If you are hunting public ground and expect to be totally alone, you're kidding yourself. It doesn't have to be another hunter but hikers, bike riders, horsemen, birders, etc...
State Park hunts are a bit different, you know if there is a stand there most likely that person is going right to that tree. The other public hunting lands where you don't have to be drawn for a specific day one guy could have 10 stands hung or only gun hunt or be working that day or .... Many of Indiana's public hunting areas are not huge tracts of land with limited access. you pick a spot chances are there will be other people using it. Chance you take with hunting public ground. You can say you will take the high road but when every spot you choose has a stand or evidence of another hunter you might be walking or driving a long ways.
You know what the problem with pubic property is don't you? The public!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 11:09:26 GMT -5
I see it as going in to a movie theater as soon as they open the door and laying coats on your seats you want and then going out and getting in line at the concession stand. Is it cool to do? I think it's a little sketchy...not sure what to think about it. They could solve the problem by not allowing anything but climbers. The problem is, guys who put up ladders and then don't hunt the day someone else wants to hunt that area. Sportsmanlike hunters then just steered clear of an area they didn't need to. I'm on the fence on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 14:18:02 GMT -5
i have no problem someone hunting the same area i do, but if i walk in and someone is sitting in my stand thats a diff story there is nothing lower than sitting in someone else stand. but if someone else is in the area first first i,ll move on. thats why when your on public ground you learn pretty quick to get in early i,m on stand usualy an hr before light
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Post by charmerbaits on Oct 28, 2012 15:26:49 GMT -5
Same here I'm always in way early. I can just see someone coming into an area because they have a stand up right at daylight and then wanting to raise hell about me being in the area.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 16:19:17 GMT -5
If I went to the trouble to scout and put up a stand, and get in behind somebody that wanted to hunt within sight of it, I'd get in the stand and make damn sure the other guy does not kill anything that day. There is absolutely no reason to hunt that close together. Doesn't matter who gets there first imo. Obviously, the guy that put the stand up was there well before. I hunted public land a lot, area guide on a military base, Every day there were 32 hunters in a 1000 acre tract. Typically, there would be about half of them packed in to a few different areas of the tract. And hundreds of acres not one sole hunting them.
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Post by hunthard4 on Oct 28, 2012 16:26:53 GMT -5
That means that the public land is becoming private and thats not right.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Oct 28, 2012 18:26:27 GMT -5
If I went to the trouble to scout and put up a stand, and get in behind somebody that wanted to hunt within sight of it, I'd get in the stand and make damn sure the other guy does not kill anything that day. There is absolutely no reason to hunt that close together. Doesn't matter who gets there first imo. Obviously, the guy that put the stand up was there well before. I hunted public land a lot, area guide on a military base, Every day there were 32 hunters in a 1000 acre tract. Typically, there would be about half of them packed in to a few different areas of the tract. And hundreds of acres not one sole hunting them. Just because a guy has a stand up doesn't mean he was there first. I can take a stand in and put it up anywhere I want, but if I'm not the first one in there and someone else is near by, I'm moving on. Your basically saying guys that bring in climbers don't do any previous scouting and just go in blind and hunt. It is public land. I don't think so. You can't claim anything on public land. It should matter who gets there first. Sportsman with any sense will go somewhere else if someone is in an area before they were.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 18:56:01 GMT -5
That means that the public land is becoming private and thats not right. It means public lands ars public. People who use them need to act in a sane manner. When it comes to hunting, simply go to another spot far enough away not to alter the hunt of the other peoples
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Post by charmerbaits on Oct 28, 2012 19:26:07 GMT -5
By trying to claim them by putting stands up is not right. If your not hunting it everyday your just trying to keep others out of the area. Most public places I've hunted make you remove the stands when your finished for the day.
First come first serve, if someone wants to hunt an area they have a stand they need to get there early or have a backup plan.
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Post by hunthard4 on Oct 28, 2012 21:55:12 GMT -5
Timex, bringing a climber into PUBLIC land is sane and youre not altering someones hunt if you are in that spor first for that morning or afternoon. Want privacy and your own area to put up your stand then buy your own land.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 5:41:11 GMT -5
Your missing the point of my posts. Sure you can hang your climber on the tree next to the other guy if you want. The point is WHY would you want to? If you have a phobia about being alone in the woods or something of that nature, I'd seek medical attention. When I hunt, private or public, I want to get the most bang for my buck as possible, and enjoy less intrusion into the area I select to hunt. Why someone would even consider hanging in sight of another hunter is beyond me. You have no idea how the other fellow may have stunk up that spot, when he was last there or when he will be back again. Maybe he crapped out of his stand. Maybe he's already killed the dominate buck from that stand, or sent it to parts unknown. The last place I'd consider hunting is there, but you have that right if that's the kind of experience your looking for.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Oct 29, 2012 6:31:14 GMT -5
Public land = day to day fist come first served. If I walk into my stand and someone is set up near by and flashes his light at me I'm finding another spot and will be ther earlier the next time. If I'm in my stand and someone walks towards me I'm flashing my light and expect them to find another spot. Don't tell me the whole wood lot is yours all year because you have a stand in there and only hunt it every other weekend, orput a stand on the main entry point and expect everyone else to find another spot because they'll screw you up coming in ya right! I put in the same time as you if you want that spot get there before I do. There is no "That's my spot" on public land. one exception I will not hunt the exact stand some one has set up and expect people to stay out of mine but if you're in the next tree and there before I am, I'll wish you good luck and I'll find another spot.
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Post by hunthard4 on Oct 29, 2012 10:26:28 GMT -5
Hunter xmax understands what im saying. I wouldnt hunt next to someone already in their stand. I said earlier in the thread that i would leave if someone beat me to that spot. If im the first one there though and i wanna put my climber 10 yards away from a lock on thats already there but nobody's in it then that okay.
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Post by huhwhatdeer on Oct 29, 2012 16:36:50 GMT -5
Heck i hunted on public land one time and got in the tree before dark and never saw the other guy about 60 yds away till he got down and im pretty sure he never saw me at all. We both saw deer that day unless he was sleeping the whole time
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