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Post by cambygsp on Aug 6, 2012 13:30:22 GMT -5
www.indystar.com/article/20120806/NEWS05/208060323/Judge-rule-high-fenced-hunting?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Indianapolis News Owen Circuit Court Judge Frank M. Nardi is set to rule today on a lawsuit on high-fenced hunting, which has been the center of debate between hunting preserves and critics who argue that such operations are unethical and could spread diseases to animals. The hearing to grant or deny a summary judgment filed by the Indiana Department of Natural Resources is this afternoon. Critics of canned or high-fenced hunting contend that it could cause chronic wasting disease, a mad-cow-like illness, to the state's wild deer herd. The Indiana Wildlife Federation and the Indiana Sportsmen's Roundtable are imploring Nardi to rule in favor of illegalizing high-fenced hunting in the state. Until Nardi makes a ruling, hunting preserve owners are operating under a court injunction.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 6, 2012 16:57:08 GMT -5
As much as I hate to say it I'll bet the judge favors the pic and shoot operators..
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 7, 2012 9:07:40 GMT -5
I aint heard how the ruling went yet but I agree with you Woody. Canned hunting is accepted in many states, why would Indiana be any different.
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Post by oldhoyt on Aug 7, 2012 16:27:34 GMT -5
I don't care if they do it, but I do object to it being called hunting. These are not wild animals, they are their owner's property, essentially livestock. If a guy can convince other folks to pay good money for the opportunity to shoot his livestock, I can't say I blame him.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 8, 2012 8:11:55 GMT -5
As much as I hate to say it I'll bet the judge favors the pic and shoot operators.. I think you are right. |
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Post by biggdogind on Aug 8, 2012 18:22:06 GMT -5
Let me know if you guys hear anything. There is a guy in thorntown where I hunt that is high fence hunting. It has effected the deer around my woods
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 18:28:16 GMT -5
How has it effectted your hunting
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Post by john1977 on Aug 8, 2012 18:42:16 GMT -5
Let me know if you guys hear anything. There is a guy in thorntown where I hunt that is high fence hunting. It has effected the deer around my woods that guy is crazier than a pet coon |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 5:24:11 GMT -5
It all depends on how big the area fenced off is imo
Newport Chemical Depot has an 8 foot tall fence around the entire base, Newport is around 10,000 acres.
Big Oaks National Wildlife Refuge is 50,000 acres, and it has an 8 foot tall fence around the entire refuge.
Some High fence hunting places down in Texas are over 50,000 acres, some are near 100,000 acres, imo there is nothing wrong with places that big having a fence, because most of the deer are not effected by the fence in a place of that size.
However, if a place is only 1,000 acres or anywhere under 3,000 acres and it has a fence around it, then the Deer are effected by the fence. I don't support places that small having fences.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 7:10:07 GMT -5
The bases you mention do not have deer proof fences. Deer go under in a lot of places and can go over when thry want.
Before an enclosure is enclosed, all the wild deer have to be removed. No wild deer are effected unless there is a break out or intensional release.
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Post by firelt72 on Aug 9, 2012 8:09:59 GMT -5
That is my question- there are people throwing up these fences and trapping OUR deer on their land, how is this legal? In my mind this is theft from the people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 8:18:37 GMT -5
The fence is erected. Gates installed. THEN all of the deer are purged from the enclosure before its closed. No effect to the resource unless there is a breech.
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Post by daneowner on Aug 9, 2012 11:17:39 GMT -5
IMO, For every acre of land that is developed to where wildlife can't use it, has to have an effect on wildlife (resource). If someone were to buy land around me to build a sub-divison or to fence in a large area for canned hunting, it most certainly would have an effect on me and the DEER! How many on here would want either one on their doorstep?
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 9, 2012 11:28:46 GMT -5
Timex, you're assuming that because the law SAYS so, it will be done in exactly that manner.
Sometimes things don't work that way.
If the Pic-n-shoots all followed the law exactly in the transportation of breeding stock and the maintenance of their fences (and if the laws in those matters were stepped up to include double fencing and clearing of any trees within fence-crushing range, and actual regular inspections), and if the owners of such operations could be trusted to accurately and swiftly report any illnesses among their cattle, instead of having an "accidental fence failure" that happens to save their entire investment from bankruptcy, then I'd consider them to be just another business venture that would be OK for those who choose to use it, even if I didn't.
But those things don't appear to be in the cards, and CWD is making steady progress towards our state lines from the north and west where the shooting pens were allowed. Eventually, it will probably be here anyway, but I hate to see its progress accelerated unnecessarily.
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Post by 36fan on Aug 9, 2012 11:35:20 GMT -5
I don't care if they do it, but I do object to it being called hunting. These are not wild animals, they are their owner's property, essentially livestock. If a guy can convince other folks to pay good money for the opportunity to shoot his livestock, I can't say I blame him.  - my sentiments exactly! Don't call it hunting, and don't show the turkey shoots on a hunting show! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 11:39:28 GMT -5
IMO, For every acre of land that is developed to where wildlife can't use it, has to have an effect on wildlife (resource). If someone were to buy land around me to build a sub-divison or to fence in a large area for canned hunting, it most certainly would have an effect on me and the DEER! How many on here would want either one on their doorstep? So if 3-400 acres is removed from the equation then your habitat is the focal.point. Thus effecting your hunting in.a.positive way. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 11:47:45 GMT -5
Two or three agencies doing the regulations, 'Id bet you can't show any incidents to sjow otherwise. Now that the threat of CWD is well known, the whole process seems to be pretty safe when ran by the.established rules. Timex, you're assuming that because the law SAYS so, it will be done in exactly that manner. Sometimes things don't work that way. If the Pic-n-shoots all followed the law exactly in the transportation of breeding stock and the maintenance of their fences (and if the laws in those matters were stepped up to include double fencing and clearing of any trees within fence-crushing range, and actual regular inspections), and if the owners of such operations could be trusted to accurately and swiftly report any illnesses among their cattle, instead of having an "accidental fence failure" that happens to save their entire investment from bankruptcy, then I'd consider them to be just another business venture that would be OK for those who choose to use it, even if I didn't. But those things don't appear to be in the cards, and CWD is making steady progress towards our state lines from the north and west where the shooting pens were allowed. Eventually, it will probably be here anyway, but I hate to see its progress accelerated unnecessarily. |
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Post by drs on Aug 9, 2012 11:53:50 GMT -5
IMO, For every acre of land that is developed to where wildlife can't use it, has to have an effect on wildlife (resource). If someone were to buy land around me to build a sub-divison or to fence in a large area for canned hunting, it most certainly would have an effect on me and the DEER! How many on here would want either one on their doorstep? Couldn't agree more with you, with your concern. If someone develops a piece of land that is next door; it will affect the natural Deer population, especially if that development is a Housing Subdivision or a canned hunt area surrounded by a tall fence. If this happens in Indiana, then you might as well say there's more land that is gobbled-up by a Developer or Canned Hunt Operation. You'll only see the Deer that chose to stay on your property. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 13:19:33 GMT -5
The Deer at Big Oaks can get out through holes people cut in the fence, and through creeks/ streams.
I am not sure about Newport.
I am just saying there are places in Texas that are 50,000 to 100,000 acres that have fences around them. IMO, most of the deer in those places that big will probably not be effected by the fence, just like most of the deer are not effected at a place like Big Oaks NWR.
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Post by firelt72 on Aug 9, 2012 13:55:10 GMT -5
Ok so if the animals aren't purged.....
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