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Post by lugnutz on Jul 22, 2012 15:38:42 GMT -5
 On the left is a Hornady. 44 mag On the right is the Hornady Bushmaster .450 Seems rediculous to me that the 450 is legal and an HPR round isn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 16:19:07 GMT -5
Since when is a .44 Mag not legal?  You been drinking? BTW-the .460 is legal and it's mo' bigger yet. |
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 22, 2012 16:37:01 GMT -5
Since when is a .44 Mag not legal? You been drinking? BTW-the .460 is legal and it's mo' bigger yet. I'll play your silly game, when isn't a .44mag not legal? And i am about to pop a top on the first one! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 17:49:50 GMT -5
Bow season
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Post by steiny on Jul 22, 2012 18:47:42 GMT -5
Big difference between the velocities and range capabilities of those slow moving straight wall cartridges and HP rifle cartridges such as; 270, 30-06, 300 mag, etc. About like comparing a Smart Car to a Porsche.
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 22, 2012 20:07:31 GMT -5
Also a smaller diameter as well with the hpr rounds. Couldn't imagine shooting the. 450 out of a hand gun. Can you?
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Post by js2397 on Jul 22, 2012 20:12:16 GMT -5
Big difference between the velocities and range capabilities of those slow moving straight wall cartridges and HP rifle cartridges such as; 270, 30-06, 300 mag, etc. About like comparing a Smart Car to a Porsche. True but if they would allow anything .35 and up it would add several great deer cartridges that are about the same range as the current legal rounds. |
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 23, 2012 4:25:28 GMT -5
Since when is a .44 Mag not legal? You been drinking? BTW-the .460 is legal and it's mo' bigger yet. He said the HPR was not legal; not the 44Mag. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 14:59:33 GMT -5
.44 and the .450 are high power rounds. Both are routinely chambered in rifles. At one time, you could buy 44 in rifle or pistol loads. Both could be used in pistols or rifles.
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Post by steiny on Jul 23, 2012 18:32:47 GMT -5
Indiana doesn't allow the fast mover HP rifle cartridges due to population densities, the rounds travel too far.
Just because a cartridge is big, fat and holds lots of powder, doesn't mean it's a fast moving, long range outfit. If that was the case, 12ga slugs would be king for long range use.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 18:59:33 GMT -5
They do allow them. In single shot pistols. Same calipers, nearly the same ballistics.
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Post by steiny on Jul 23, 2012 19:13:19 GMT -5
Good point, they do allow them in pistols, I own a 30-06 single shot pistol but don't use it anymore. However, the number of guys using these is so small, that it doesn't present a hazard, plus the few that do use them are pretty proficient, safe guys.
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Post by tenring on Jul 23, 2012 20:07:42 GMT -5
Good point, they do allow them in pistols, I own a 30-06 single shot pistol but don't use it anymore. However, the number of guys using these is so small, that it doesn't present a hazard, plus the few that do use them are pretty proficient, safe guys. Now that is one of the most intellegent, sensible, well thought out statements I have seen anywhere in months. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 20:13:10 GMT -5
And, the allow high powered rifles for varmints...that's what doesn't make any sense to me. If I can shoot a groundhog or coyote with my .270, why not a deer?
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Post by tenring on Jul 23, 2012 21:50:13 GMT -5
How many out hunting groundhog or coyote at one time, what is the length of the season? How many out hunting deer at one time, what is the length of the firearm season?
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Post by cedarthicket on Jul 23, 2012 22:10:36 GMT -5
And, the allow high powered rifles for varmints...that's what doesn't make any sense to me. If I can shoot a groundhog or coyote with my .270, why not a deer? Indiana, and perhaps lots of other states, has a history of GRADUALLY liberalizing some of its hunting regulations. For example, it took several years of people requesting it before IDNR allowed certain center-fire handguns to be used to take a deer. I believe 1986 was the first year and the criteria were minimum bullet diameter of .357 inches, minimum case length of 1.16 inches (no maximum), and minimum barrel length of 4 inches. If I recall correctly, 10 years later, in 1996, the rule was changed to allow a minimum bullet diameter of .243 inches and the other criteria were unchanged. By then handgun hunters had a track record of safety, they did not exist in "overwhelming" numbers, and they did not take an exorbitant number of deer each season. And, as far as I know, very few would rant and rave for a separate season from the other firearm season (shotgun and muzzle loader) hunters. I believe so-called PCR rifles were first allowed in 2007. The rule specified cartridges with a minimum bullet diameter of .357 inches, minimum case length of 1.16 inches, and maximum case length of 1.625 inches. Five years later (2012) the rule was changed to allow cartridges with a maximum case length of 1.800 inches. Again, PCR users had a track record of 5 years of safety, they did not exist in “overwhelming” numbers, they did not take an exorbitant number of deer, and they gladly shared the firearm deer season with other hunters using shotguns, handguns, and muzzle loaders. So, you may eventually get your wish. However, be prepared to wait several more years. And, be prepared for perhaps another GRADUAL change in that direction before your wish finally comes true. This is just my humble opinion. |
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 23, 2012 22:28:10 GMT -5
How much more of a gradual change can their be? What would you suspect would be the next "change"?
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Post by tenring on Jul 23, 2012 22:46:10 GMT -5
Qualification? In my lifetime I have talked to more than one individual who got a hunting license in Germany. Ouch!
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Post by Gunsafe on Jul 24, 2012 0:14:10 GMT -5
Indiana doesn't allow the fast mover HP rifle cartridges due to population densities, the rounds travel too far. Just because a cartridge is big, fat and holds lots of powder, doesn't mean it's a fast moving, long range outfit. If that was the case, 12ga slugs would be king for long range use. Travels to far ? That's a good one ,what about the guys using pistol rounds like .243. 270,or any d** thing they want to shoot , it's all right if they shoot to far !!!!! |
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Post by cedarthicket on Jul 24, 2012 0:37:43 GMT -5
How much more of a gradual change can their be? What would you suspect would be the next "change"? Reply #6 above by js2397 is one of several possibilities. His suggestion could rank fairly high among possibilities. (His criteria happen to be quite similar to those for handguns when they were first allowed in 1986 -- minimum bullet diameter and minimum case length). As indicated by historical changes, allowing any cartridge as long as it meets the criteria of minimum bullet diameter and minimum and/or maximum case length are certainly possibilities. Another possibility would be allowing single shot rifles as long as the cartridge used meets certain criteria. Another possibility would be to liberalize cartridge and/or rifle criteria by counties or zones within Indiana. For example, current (2012) criteria could apply to northern and central Indiana while southern Indiana could have more liberal criteria. I suspect the next change will be a GRADUAL one rather than go “all the way.” All the way could be criteria very similar to those that currently apply to handguns -- minimum bullet diameter of .243 inches and minimum case length of 1.16 inches applicable to the whole state. But I have been wrong many times before. |
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You been drinking? BTW-the .460 is legal and it's mo' bigger yet.
