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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 14, 2012 13:55:06 GMT -5
After staff review this issue was identified as ones that the Division of Fish and Wildlife are interested in pursuing.
Farmland license exemption – The DNR is proposing to clarify the rule pertaining to hunting, fishing, and trapping license exemptions for landowners when the land is owned by an estate or trust. Trustees and other entities that are named in an estate or trust would need to purchase a license to hunt or trap on that property included in the estate or trust.
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 14, 2012 15:15:52 GMT -5
thats bull excrement.
so my father, who has bought n paid for the farm, put it into a trust and is currently the trustee, would now have to buy a liscense to hunt his own property? BS!
think about this yall before throwing it your support.
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 14, 2012 15:22:24 GMT -5
I'd have to completely agree with Trapperdave!
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Post by daneowner on Jul 14, 2012 16:08:15 GMT -5
I have to agree, the orignal owner('s) if named on the trust, should still retain the exemption.
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Post by billybobteeth on Jul 14, 2012 16:10:24 GMT -5
Once again another reason to raise a tax i.e. new license requirment and limit others who are infact defacto landowners at this time and will or do pay the taxes on that land .
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Post by sleepergsx on Jul 14, 2012 17:00:08 GMT -5
I'd have to completely agree with Trapperdave!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 17:53:56 GMT -5
This is aimed in the right direction, but probably shouldn't apply to family farms. It should apply to groups form for the sole purpose of not buying a hunting license. Example is 5-6 guys buying as much land as they can and not being required to buy a license. They should have to, same as before they bought the land, as they are using resources of the people.
What makes sense is to charge $1-$5 dollars for all that hunt, even seniors and other exempts. This allows for accounting and allows for P-R funds to be returned to the coffers. It would be well in the millions in revenue.
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 14, 2012 23:28:00 GMT -5
If 5-6 guys have that much cash, i doubt they are too worried about purchasing a license.
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 15, 2012 7:25:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure how property taxes work for estates and trusts?? Anyone have any insight on this. Are these folks still paying property taxes?
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 15, 2012 8:29:26 GMT -5
yes
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Post by M4Madness on Jul 15, 2012 8:46:51 GMT -5
I'd like to see the whole landowner exemption clause be rewritten to clarify everything, as it is confusing as heck right now. Some think you have to farm it to get the exemption, others think that IF it can be farmed (even if it isn't) it counts, and still others think that if it's your property you can hunt it regardless of what you do with the land.
My property isn't large enough to hunt on (and I have a lifetime license anyway), so the issue is a moot point to me. But, I see people all the time who are confused about the landowner exemption. This current trustee issue sounds like a step in the wrong direction.
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Post by billybobteeth on Jul 15, 2012 10:19:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure how property taxes work for estates and trusts?? Anyone have any insight on this. Are these folks still paying property taxes? Yes it either comes out of thie pockets or from the estates cash trust that belongs to them as well. |
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Post by firstwd on Jul 15, 2012 10:32:57 GMT -5
I disagree with this.
Most of the family farms around me are set up in a trust to protect the land from commercial development and to protect the kids from going broke paying inheritance taxes if the parents happen to pass away during a down income year.
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 15, 2012 12:13:09 GMT -5
I'd have to completely agree with Trapperdave! Same here. |
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Post by tenring on Jul 15, 2012 14:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 15, 2012 15:43:09 GMT -5
What Timex said....
Hunters buying recreational hunting ground should not get a free pass on hunting licenses.
Family farms? You bet they should hunt for free.. They need to make a distinction on that..
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 15, 2012 15:59:32 GMT -5
I see very little distinction because in the end they all pay property taxes. If your going to dish out a couple hundred thousand for the land then pay several thousand a year on property taxes then you shouldn't have to buy a license. Heck, I have a problem with any resident of the state who pays property tax having to buy a hunting license i.e. paying yet another tax to hunt the bounty you already own by being a resident and property owner/taxpayer in the state. And yea I can hear most of you now and how that money goes to support the DNR blah blah blah. The DNR is a state agency that should be supported by tax dollars straight across the board, not by adding yet another tax in the form of hunting licenses and fees.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 17:29:33 GMT -5
What some might not be aware of, if a hunter hunts for free, then the DNR get zero back for him in P-R Funds. The original law is used in most every state. Some exemptions. Now days, guys take advantage of it by forming clubs and groups to buy land, then put it in a trust to protect the partners. These guys, some of them NR's should be buying hunting licenses.
The people living on the farm, one that is actually farmed, should not be charged unless its a nominal fee to recoup the P-R funds.
Merely paying property taxes should NOT be grounds for not paying to hunt.
Farm income, or loss statement on a tax return is or should be the determining factor used to who hunts free and who doesn't.
Either you support the wildlife through crops or you do it by buying a hunting license.
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 15, 2012 18:00:12 GMT -5
I still fail to feel the need to screw every single landowner/taxpayer just because a few non residents invest money in property and hunt there with landowner tags. They own the property, they have to be paying property taxes, and if the deer are there they are eating something whether it be the grass that grows in the fields or the nuts from the trees, the landowners are still supporting the deer in some fashion even if they aren't raising crops.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 18:05:02 GMT -5
Property taxes DO NOT support the DNR nor the animals being taken by those hunters.
Lots of landowners in Indiana, most are not farmers, a large portion of landowners do not support deer or other animals, maybe rats and mice? And it's not a NR issue, it's residents as well.
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