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Post by span870 on Jan 23, 2012 15:00:09 GMT -5
I know alot of you guys are into rifles more than me and alot more knowledgeable so I thought I would bring my questions where someone could help me.
I have decided to build an Indiana deer rifle. What I want to know is am I missing something. I know we have the wsm and the hoosier. Also brown, at least used to, makes the idc. Is there something out there that will push the 300 yard mark without dropping 5 foot. I know I will never take a deer in Indiana farther than 300 max but it is fun to shoot targets as far as you can see. This rifle would also double as a antelope and deer rifle out west. I have a 06 and a 270 for bigger game but would like a double duty rilfle. I have a 243 winchester marlin and a prohunter, so open to different build options. Guess my question is am I looking for something that is even do able with a 35 caliber bullet?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 15:14:14 GMT -5
First off, you need a longer range rifle for antelope than what a .358 is going to give you. In fact, the .243 is a a good choice for antelope, Or the 270 with 130 gr. bullets.
As for the IDC, I'm also looking for which one, Seem to be leaning toward the Grant 1.8" at this time, providing I can get one made for the Encore frame.
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 23, 2012 15:26:07 GMT -5
I'm with Timex on the out west hunting, stick with any 3 of what you currently have. As for Indiana rifle options, I like the 358 Hoosier so far. I could be way off here but, seems that it is the easiest to make brass for of all the wildcats so far.
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 23, 2012 15:39:00 GMT -5
I'm having a 358 Hoosier made now.
Using a 220 grain Speer, the charts say that with a 200 yd zero, it is about 2.8" high at 100. 300 may be possible without a whole lot of drop, but I know I'll probably still shoot less than 100-150. I don't hunt many palces where longer shots will be had.
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Post by span870 on Jan 23, 2012 15:41:01 GMT -5
That is the answer i was expecting. The 35 bullet is just not made for distance shooting. Didn't want to jump into building one and find out there was a round out there I was missing. The problem then is the size of the bullet as far as trajectory and you can only stuff so much powder into a case before you start losing accuracy?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 15:46:13 GMT -5
Case capacity. If you could use a .50 BMG case necked down to .358, you could get "antelope" distance out of it.
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Post by span870 on Jan 23, 2012 16:11:04 GMT -5
Yeah Timex and a whole lot of whallop at both ends. ;D
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Post by esshup on Jan 23, 2012 17:59:43 GMT -5
span870, build a rifle based on a Savage WSSM action. Bed the action but don't bed it in front of the recoil lug. You can shoot ANY WSSM cartridge out of it by just changing the barrel, and you can change the barrel yourself with a vise, action wrench, barrel nut wrench and a set of go/no-go gauges.
Shoot the .358 wssm for deer here in Indiana. Then you have your choice of .223, .243, .25 and .325 Corbin just by changing the barrel.
In .243, a 95g bullet, when sighted in at 100 Yds drops 34.5" at 500 Yds (mv 3250).
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Post by steiny on Jan 23, 2012 18:37:37 GMT -5
I have a .375 Whisper built from a Tikka T-3 Bolt action. If I was doing it again, the three you mentioned are a bit better choices, as they are a little lighter bullet, a little flatter shooting. Any of them would be fine. Don't know if you hand load, but I would recommend it and owning your own dies for these wildcats. You might have the rifle a long time, and who knows how long the gunsmith will be around?
I don't care for the Encores. They are about the most over priced POS rifle on the market in my opinion, the technology isn't much different than an H&R break open shotgun, but they charge you 6X more. TV show sponsorship has built them a big following.
It's not like anyone that is building one of these rifles is watching their nickles. It's an expensive deal, so why not go ahead and get a nice bolt action rifle. Again, "if doing it over" I would go with the 35 IDC built from a Winchester model 70.
I haven't killed a deer at 300 yards with mine yet, but it has worked flawlessly out to 200 yards, and I've punched a lot of paper at 300, so it wouldn't worry me. You need a laser range finder with you when using these, as drop can be significant at the far end of their range. They will still kill fine if you hit right, but you need to know your trajectory.
Good luck, they are a lot of fun. Beats the heck out of getting beat up by a 12ga slug gun.
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Post by dsg69 on Jan 23, 2012 21:17:38 GMT -5
358 GRANT 1.8 with 225 Accu-Bond @ 2850 fps. 100 yds. +2.7"/ 150 yds. +3.2 " highest/ 200 yds. +2.3"/ 250 yds. 0/ 300 yds. -3.9". With 2355 fps and 2770 fpe @ 300 yds.
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Post by hornharvester on Jan 24, 2012 10:19:24 GMT -5
The 35 WSSM with a 180 grain Barnes would be an all around big game rifle capable of taking any game on the north american continent.
Easy to build on a Savage WSM action. h.h.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 10:19:30 GMT -5
I'd have to have it in a Encore, and stainless. Guess Bulberry or ?
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 24, 2012 15:18:12 GMT -5
The 35 WSSM with a 180 grain Barnes would be an all around big game rifle capable of taking any game on the north american continent. Easy to build on a Savage WSM action. h.h. That all is dependent on the terrain you are hunting on. I wouldnt take it out west when they're better options for long distance shooting.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 24, 2012 15:20:29 GMT -5
I'd have to have it in a Encore, and stainless. Guess Bulberry or ? I had a gun names D. A. Vanhorn In AZ custom make me some Encore barrels. It is a great platform for tack drivers.
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Post by cedarthicket on Jan 24, 2012 16:53:22 GMT -5
Match Grade Machine (MGM) currently makes TC Encore barrels in .358 Hoosier and I believe the .358 WSSM. I do not know about other .358 wildcats. www.matchgrademachine.com/ phone (435) 628-0071)
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Post by span870 on Jan 24, 2012 19:12:24 GMT -5
Okay then. What is the difference between the hoosier and the wssm? I know the hoosier seems to be easier as far as getting brass goes, but is there a real difference between the two. I really don't see a whole lot of difference ballistic wise between the idc, hoosier, or wssm. What am I missing? Sorry for all the questions guys but I don't want to jump into one and regret it. As far as what hornharvester noted seems the wssm would be the route as far as options on bullets.
Course as soon as I build this Indiana will pass a law allowing hpr's. Just my luck ;D
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Post by hornharvester on Jan 25, 2012 10:12:22 GMT -5
The difference between the two is the case and a couple grains of powder. You can buy the complete gun, or a barrel and ammo from Just Hunt in Wabash, IN. Contact info is in one of the other posts about 358 wildcats. I would call Paul at Just Hunt and he will answer all your questions. I see on his website he will be offering a new 1.8" PCR wildcat. h.h. justhuntgg.com/
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