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Post by greghopper on Jan 15, 2012 13:09:02 GMT -5
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 15, 2012 13:25:47 GMT -5
It appears that Jack even finds the wording confusing. Let's dissect the text, with my comments in red: (e) In addition to the reimbursement required under subsection (a), a person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates subsection (a)(1) (unlawfully takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey) or (a)(2) (takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey by illegal methods or with illegal devices) while using or possessing: (1) an apparatus designed for use with or on a firearm commonly called a silencer; or (2) a device used as a silencer; commits a Class C misdemeanor.My opinion (which may be incorrect) is that if a person takes a deer or turkey in an illegal manner (poaching with illegal rifle, no tag, with illegal firearm, etc.) AND ALSO uses a silencer while committing this crime commits a Class C misdemeanor. Predator hunters will be the ones benefiting from suppressor use anyway (since suppressors for shotguns are illogical and suppressors for calibers legal for deer in Indiana are virtually non-existent), so even if it turns out that they won't be legal for deer, it won't affect too many hunters under our current PCR rules.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 15, 2012 13:55:56 GMT -5
I have personally seen folks with a 44 (rifle)and silencer shooting at the range....they are out there!!
BTW...It was also was much QUIETER
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 15, 2012 14:05:47 GMT -5
I have personally seen folks with a 44 (rifle)and silencer shooting at the range....they are out there!! BTW...It was also was much QUIETER Yeah, .44 Mag is about the only Indiana deer-legal caliber out there that has off-the-shelf suppression. I've seen .44 Mag rifles for sale with integral suppression (barrel itself is the suppressor), but never seen thread-on .44 Mag suppressors. It's possible that someone makes them. The .358 wildcats would need custom suppressors built, as that is an oddball bullet diameter and not very common.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 15, 2012 15:36:19 GMT -5
I asked a lawyer friend to review this bill, and here is his response:
That's the way I see it as well. It just states that if someone takes a deer in the three listed manners WHILE USING A SUPPRESSOR that they'd be charged with a Class C misdemeanor in addition to the regular poaching charges. Suppressors wouldn't be classified as "illegal devices" anymore.
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Post by willy7586 on Jan 23, 2012 8:03:53 GMT -5
Good post m4madness. I'm all for this bill. I own 2 suppressors and can say that a suppressor improves accuracy, reduce recoil and make a firearm hearing safe to the shooter and bystanders. Suppressors are legal to own in Indiana, however local and Federal (FBI & BATF) approval which takes 3-4 months and a $200.00 Federal tax is required. Over 50% of the states allow hunting with suppressors. As for poachers, they are still going to poach regardless. I doubt they will go through this process to legally own a suppressor and for the people who make/use illegal “homemade” suppressors; they are committing Federal violations (manufacture and/or possession) of a Class 3 item and should be prosecuted to the highest extent of the law. I hope this law passes, that we all have the option and freedom that other states have.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 23, 2012 18:30:02 GMT -5
This bill will be heard in two days (Wednesday, January 25, 2012).
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 23, 2012 21:54:15 GMT -5
This bill will be heard in two days (Wednesday, January 25, 2012). 9am in room 130.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 25, 2012 11:33:44 GMT -5
passed out of committee. 7-1 for the bill
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Post by ms660 on Jan 25, 2012 15:11:50 GMT -5
passed out of committee. 7-1 for the bill Good news. A step in the right direction.
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Post by tenring on Jan 28, 2012 15:31:53 GMT -5
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 28, 2012 17:39:27 GMT -5
SAS has great cans, too bad their customer service is the worse in the industry.
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Post by cedarthicket on Feb 2, 2012 22:19:43 GMT -5
SB 243 was amended and passed the full Senate yesterday with a vote of 42 to 8. It now goes to the House for consideration.
DIGEST OF SB 243 (Updated February 1, 2012 1:17 pm - DI 84)
Silencers when hunting. Repeals the law that prohibits the possession or use of a silencer while in the act of hunting. Provides that a person who takes or possesses a deer or wild turkey: (1) unlawfully; (2) by illegal methods; or (3) with illegal devices; while using or possessing a silencer commits a Class C misdemeanor. Makes hunting on private land without the permission of the owner a Class B misdemeanor if the person does so while using a silencer. Makes a technical correction.
[The primary amendment was adding language to make hunting on private land without the permission of the owner a Class B misdemeanor if the person does so while using a silencer. It would also cover other game hunted, not just deer and turkeys.]
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Post by shinglemonkey on Feb 29, 2012 21:14:11 GMT -5
Suppressor bill was killed
Last week, the NRA-backed legislation legalizing the use of suppressors for hunting was amended into another bill, due to a missed deadline by the House Public Policy Committee. Senate Bill 243, previously reported here, was unable to survive last week’s committee report deadline and is now considered a dead bill.
The “hunting with suppressors” language was then resurrected, thanks to the efforts of state Representative Sean Eberhart (R-57) and state Senators Ryan Mishler (R-9) and Travis Holdman (R-19). These legislators worked together to add the language from SB 243 to Representative Eberhart’s Natural Resources Omnibus bill, House Bill 1279. Yesterday, the Senate voted 49 to 0 to pass HB 1279 with the “hunting with suppressors” language included. It was then sent back to the state House for a concurrence vote in conference committee.
However, due to new rules adopted by the House of Representatives for this legislative session, if a bill does not get a hearing in a House committee, it cannot be accepted into another House bill. Unfortunately, this means that the pro-hunting language from SB 243 will be removed from HB 1279 in conference committee, and will not be allowed to move forward this session.
The National Rifle Association appreciates the efforts by state Representative Sean Eberhart and state Senators Ryan Mishler and Travis Holdman to keep the suppressor language alive.
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