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Post by irishhunter on Jan 11, 2012 7:55:09 GMT -5
I can tell you from the perspective of having a few suppressors. I definately shoot alot more. I plink with my 22 as often as I can and practice with my AR15 and AR10 . They are not silent but much more tolerable to my neighbors than the crack of a unsuppressed round. If I had the opportunity to hunt with one I would love to have one hanging off the front of a .458. Is it necessary NO would it be fun ? Heck yes IMO
I run a Yankee Hill .762 on my AR's and a Tac65 on my 22 , next will be a Gemtech 9mm
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Post by js2397 on Jan 11, 2012 10:22:11 GMT -5
I thought Idaho or maybe another state out west passed a law making it legal to buy and sell suppressors without any federal checks as long as they were manufactured and sold in state. Montana was trying to tell the federal government to FO, I dont know how far it has gone. Would be nice if Indiana did something like that. I am for less regulations.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 11, 2012 11:00:04 GMT -5
Montana was trying to tell the federal government to FO, I dont know how far it has gone. Would be nice if Indiana did something like that. I am for less regulations. This is not montana. There you can find free copys of the Constitutions on the counter of the hardware stores. Montana has a long history of telling the feds to leave them alone. Sometimes it has worked. I agree with you but sad to say their are too many people here that are on the state and federal tit.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 12, 2012 14:15:06 GMT -5
After reading what Shinglemonkey and a few others have posted on the "other site" I'm in favor of this bill..
I have extreme hearing loss( just ask Woodmaster) and some of that is attributed to shooting trap without hearing protection. I now hunt witrh electronic hearing protection. They do the job , but are quite cumbersome and uncomfortable in warmer weather. I'm not sure that a suppressed fiearm would allow me to not wear the muffs or not as any loud noise still bothers me. The suppressed gun could be of a benefit to others though.
Hunting is only a partial reason why I support this bill. The use of suppressors should not even be regulated at all. The only way to get the politicans attention on this is to educate folks on what suppressors really are. Allowing them to be used for hunting is the camel's nose under the tent.
I can understand why the NRA also supports this bill.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 12, 2012 14:17:58 GMT -5
You all need to contact Senators Grooms, Holdman and Waterman and whoever else that you can think of..
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 12, 2012 15:22:50 GMT -5
I just talked to Senator Brays Legislative Assistant, as of now it has not been scheduled for a hearing. She is suppose to call me back next week and give me some details about where he stands and if he has any questions.
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Post by tenring on Jan 12, 2012 15:33:47 GMT -5
To put all of this drivel into a somewhat perspective picture, adding a suppressor on the end of a rifle mimics the addition of a flash suppressor. The uninformed relish in their mistaken belief that a flash suppressors sole purpose is to "hide" the position of the shooter. Does it? Yes, to some extent but not totally by any means. On my primary coyote rifle that is equipped with a Night Vision scope, I was disappointed to learn that when fired, the scope reacted to the bright muzzle flash and temporarily shut down for a few seconds, rendering the firearm useless, before resuming proper function. As it came from the factory without threads, I had it threaded and put on a flash suppressor. Now that the flash has been down graded, but not all together, I no longer experience night vision shutdown, but the muzzle flash, however is still visible from down range. With a suppressor, the noise to the shooter is down graded, but still audible downrange. Does that make the question at hand any more simple? It would appear that some are formulating a solution to a problem that has yet to be. Maybe, closing the barn door before the horse is stolen? The mind mirrors a book, it works better when it is open. YMMV
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 12, 2012 15:41:29 GMT -5
Since it seems that most people use both site I will start to use this one 100% of the time.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 12, 2012 16:07:04 GMT -5
I just sent an email to Lindel Hume, his dog bit me in the face when I was 10. Figures he owes me one.
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Post by throbak on Jan 12, 2012 17:36:04 GMT -5
I have been around suppressers for a good while, GM 30 yr employee.there were some pretty good ones came from there ALL were made and used so someone could shoot and hunt and NOT BE HEARD .. I think some things never change. and alot will be used for just that reasonIMO
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Post by tenring on Jan 12, 2012 17:52:21 GMT -5
GM was making suppressors?
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 12, 2012 18:07:54 GMT -5
I have been around suppressers for a good while, GM 30 yr employee.there were some pretty good ones came from there ALL were made and used so someone could shoot and hunt and NOT BE HEARD .. I think some things never change. and alot will be used for just that reasonIMO Were they actually made on form 1's or were they carried out in lunch boxes? Did you actually hear any of them being shot?
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Post by irishhunter on Jan 13, 2012 8:07:35 GMT -5
Knock Knock Knock
Who is it ?
ATF sir
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 14, 2012 16:41:53 GMT -5
From my posts on the other site: From my very limited research tonight, to the best of my knowledge, the following 26 states allow sound suppressors (silencers) for hunting: Alaska: all game Arkansas: all game Colorado: all game Idaho: all game Kansas: all game Kentucky: all game Louisiana: varmints only Maryland: all game Mississippi: all game Missouri: all game Montana: varmints only Nebraska: all game Nevada: all game New Mexico: all game North Dakota: all game Oregon: all game Pennsylvania: all game South Carolina: all game except on DNR land South Dakota: all game Tennessee: all game Texas: varmints only Utah: all game Virginia: all game Washington: all game West Virginia: all game Wisconsin: all game Over half of the United States allows suppressors for hunting!!! As mentioned previously, suppressors are highly regulated. You cannot just buy one from some local redneck who built them in his basement, nor can you fabricate your own without prior BATF approval. Individuals are required by federal law to submit an application to the BATF that has been signed by the individual's local Chief of Police or county Sheriff, along with passport-type photos and fingerprint cards in order to purchase or manufacture a suppressor. The only alternative is to apply to the BATF through a trust or corporation. An FBI background check is performed, and after a few month's wait, the application is either approved or denied. In addition, a $200 tax is collected PER suppressor. No one is going to submit themselves to such government scrutiny in order to poach a deer. Secondly, suppressors are not as quiet as they are portrayed on the big screen. OSHA defines the level at which hearing damage occurs to be a threshhold of 140 dB. SUPPRESSED centerfire rifles firing supersonic ammunition are going to meter in the 130-decibel range. Hearing safe, but nowhere near silent. Even if they were impossibly 100% silent, the sound of the bullet's impact on the side of a deer would be unbelievably loud and would spook any other deer in the group. I own suppressors in various calibers, and I can attest that they are not silent. They only thing close to "Hollywood quiet" would be subsonic .22LR or 9MM. Again, look at all the states that currently allow suppressors for hunting. Were you aware of them being legal for hunting in those states before the issue of Indiana legalizing them arose? Think about it. Here is a video of my suppressed .308 WIN. The suppressor is an SRT Arms Shadow, and is rated as one of the most quiet .308 suppressors on the market: www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ6HDXGsfOkThe suppressor after the NFA tax was over $800. 36 states allow civilian ownership of suppressors -- 72% of the U.S. Of those 36 states, 26 currently allow hunting with them -- 72.2% of suppressor-friendly states Even including states that do not allow civilian suppressor ownership, the percentage of all 50 states that allow them for hunting is 52%. Kansas is the last state to legalize them for hunting. Here's a quote from Outdoor Life: www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2011/04/kansas-suppressor-bill-goes-governorCheck out this decibel chart: www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.htmlA suppressed high-powered rifle will fall between 130-140 dB. Compare the dB ratings of various suppressors on the market and you will see that this is fact.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 14, 2012 20:24:06 GMT -5
looks like there should be a push for "all game" in Indiana not just a "ME" factor.......Interresting
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Post by shinglemonkey on Jan 14, 2012 21:53:23 GMT -5
looks like there should be a push for "all game" in Indiana not just a "ME" factor.......Interresting I agree but you know how goofy people get when we talk about "their" deer.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 15, 2012 9:36:49 GMT -5
looks like there should be a push for "all game" in Indiana not just a "ME" factor.......Interresting This suppressor bill covers all game.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 15, 2012 10:56:39 GMT -5
looks like there should be a push for "all game" in Indiana not just a "ME" factor.......Interresting This suppressor bill covers all game. Not from what I been hearing....
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 15, 2012 11:21:20 GMT -5
This suppressor bill covers all game. Not from what I been hearing.... Greg, I'll be the first to admit that I may be wrong on my interpretation. :)My belief is that the bill would allow suppressors for hunting all game, but if a deer or turkey is POACHED while using a suppressor, an additional Class C misdemeanor is added to the charges. Hopefully we can get clarification on this. e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/507747
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Post by tenring on Jan 15, 2012 11:24:15 GMT -5
Well, just what have you been "hearing"? Or you going to be like Joe, and maybe tell us after more meetings?
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