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Post by swilk on Dec 2, 2011 15:39:54 GMT -5
I have some performance feedback on the Hornady FTX 200 grain bullets out of the 358wssm.
5 deer killed and 5 deer recovered. All dead right where they stood.
Ranges from 10 yards to around 100 yards.
One bullet recovered from a buck shot at 10 yards. Buck was standing in the bottom of a ditch. Shot was down through the top of the shoulders into the chest/neck. Bullet has not been weighed yet but is as close to a textbook mushroom as a bullet can get. Safe to say given the close distance that it was going fairly close to 2550 at impact.
Much better performance than we experienced from the hornady 3505 180 grain bullet.
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Post by sparky on Dec 2, 2011 18:15:33 GMT -5
Would like to add performance info for the 225 Sierra GK. 2 shots, one at 75yds was a thru-n-thru soft tissue/lungs. Small entry, quarter size exit b/w ribs. Deer ran 60yds or so and piled up. Not a great amount of blood but totally destroyed lungs. Second shot was 40yds, soft tissue entry with no exit on opposite shoulder. Recovered bullet with approx 80% weight retention however the jacket/core were separated. Deer ran less than 10 yads.
Congrats to everyone who were successful this year with their 358's!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2011 19:22:30 GMT -5
Wonder how these would work with the black and orange sabots in a ML? Anybody know. Mike?  |
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Post by swilk on Dec 2, 2011 19:54:34 GMT -5
Ill send ya some if you want to try them.
Just mic'd one at. 358. BC is listed at. 300.
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Post by 45shooter on Dec 2, 2011 21:53:42 GMT -5
I used this bullet this year also. I shot a doe that was standing perfectly broadside in a field at about 80 yards. She ran about 40 yards after the shot. I tend to shoot a little high and back of the shoulder. But the bullet passed through both lungs and exited the far side.
5 for 5 DRT is certainly impressive. Can you share a little more info with regards to shot placement?
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Post by swilk on Dec 3, 2011 19:45:58 GMT -5
Ill get more info from derek....he was the man who killed all 5. Only one I am sure of was his buck....all the rest were does.
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Post by swilk on Dec 3, 2011 19:50:07 GMT -5
Will need to check on one additional kill too. One of our group had family in from out of state that killed a buck.....not sure if he used one of the 358's or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2011 20:46:15 GMT -5
Haven't used the FTX in 358 but have used them in my 460. Only had one mishap, and that was on a huge hog head shot. The bullet exploded on the skull, and pretty much left him eating soup for about 3 weeks until he was killed by another hunter. His left side of his head was a mess and lower jaw useless. Felt kinda sorry for him really.
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Post by swilk on Dec 3, 2011 20:55:03 GMT -5
Barnes is supposed to release an all copper 180gr 358 bullet sometime in the future.
I will likely try them once available.
Im sure the price point will be north of a buck each though compared to around 30 cents for the ftx.
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Post by boman on Dec 3, 2011 21:26:12 GMT -5
swik, I find that performance amazing for any conventional bullet fired at that range and velocity except a Barnes and maybe a partition. Do you know if it hit any major bones? Its been my/our experience that most bullets "fragment,separate etc" if they encounter bone other than ribs at extremely short ranges. This is generally in any caliber.
FWIW---we shoot the hornady 180 and 200(8 deer)in our 358's and have had no bad bullet performance so far but all the shots were50/ 60yds out to 175yds.
Steve
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Post by swilk on Dec 3, 2011 21:46:03 GMT -5
We are asking these bullets to perform at speeds much greater than what they were designed for.
The 3505 acted more like a varmint bullet at 2800fps than a big game bullet. Loved the accuracy it gave me but the on game performance demanded a change.
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Post by swilk on Dec 3, 2011 21:50:37 GMT -5
I didn't personally see the bullet path in the buck but given the shot placement I would guess it went through either the spine or shoulder when going through/down.
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Post by boman on Dec 3, 2011 22:42:16 GMT -5
We are asking these bullets to perform at speeds much greater than what they were designed for. I know  talked to Hornady---the corelokt is actually a very old design according to them but they said to use it instead of the ftx---go figure. reason I asked about the wound channel is because I shot a doe last year with the 180 at a similar angle but front to back (instead of back to front) at about 120 yds and had an amazing wound channel down thru the left shoulder(broken) and some how followed the leg bone to an exit just above the hoof with that bone completely shattered for about 3 inches in the ankle area. bullet obviously held together. The energy dropped her and I thought she was drt but apparently with no vitals hit she was only knocked out and paralyzed from the shoulders back because she got back up on her front legs in about 5 mins but that was all she could do. killed her immediately with another shot of course. point being the bullet had enough energy to paralyze her w/o a direct spinal hit yet didn't kill her outright due to lack of heart,lung artery etc. hit. Steve |
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Post by boman on Dec 3, 2011 23:05:37 GMT -5
Barnes is supposed to release an all copper 180gr 358 bullet sometime in the future. I will likely try them once available. Im sure the price point will be north of a buck each though compared to around 30 cents for the ftx. one of the guys shooting the 358idc(our reamer) shoots the 200grain Barnes tsx which is already available. he's pretty picky about accuracy so I assume his load works but don't know the particulars--- I'm not real "bullet picky" as long as I get a dead deer and really try to get shot placement---prefer double lung pass thru(little meat damage) but will try to break shoulders If I don't have that shot or don't want the deer to run(as into a big deep azz ravine). Getting older and lazier steve |
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 6, 2011 11:03:49 GMT -5
Wonder how these would work with the black and orange sabots in a ML? Anybody know. Mike? Too much plastic for reliable ignition would be my guess. The more plastic a sabot has between the bullet and the bore the less pressure you can have or mis-fires happen quite often. You might get them to work in a .40 caliber pacnor but they quit making them for the savage. Right now the .45 smokeless mz using .40 caliber 195 Barnes is the ultimate deer weapon. Speeds from 2600 -2800 fps are the norm with accuracy under 1" @ 200 yards. I think there are 4 companies now making the barrels for Savage and Remington swaps. Mike |
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Post by boman on Dec 6, 2011 11:56:14 GMT -5
Wonder how these would work with the black and orange sabots in a ML? Anybody know. Mike? I think I read that you have an smi in 50 and if you want to try this bullet design the TC shockwave is the same bullet albeit it 45 cal and 300 grain I believe---if your gun is a 45 the 40 cal sst with a smooth blue harvester sabot is working really well. Steve |
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 6, 2011 13:54:05 GMT -5
Wonder how these would work with the black and orange sabots in a ML? Anybody know. Mike? Too much plastic for reliable ignition would be my guess. The more plastic a sabot has between the bullet and the bore the less pressure you can have or mis-fires happen quite often. You might get them to work in a .40 caliber pacnor but they quit making them for the savage. Right now the .45 smokeless mz using .40 caliber 195 Barnes is the ultimate deer weapon. Speeds from 2600 -2800 fps are the norm with accuracy under 1" @ 200 yards. I think there are 4 companies now making the barrels for Savage and Remington swaps. Mike I will also add a bullet drilling the sabot happens too. We never could over come this effect trying to shoot .40 cal bullets in .50 guns unless you keep the load on the low side. Anytime we tried to push them to higher speeds the bullet drilled the sabot. The only way to stop this was use a metal washer under the bullet and accuracy went south do that. Dont worry so much about B.C. in a muzzleloader as it really doesn't make that much difference in distanIces of 300 yards or less. You will find maybe 2-4" in that distance. That D.C. bullet you like that misfired on you is know to have trouble misfiring if left loaded for any length of time. All lead bullets do for some reason and we feel its because they are soft and loss the pressure they force on the side of the sabot after being in the barrel a few days. Many guys had this happen using smokeless powder. All copper or copper jacketed bullets dont do this as much. Best thing you can do when using an all lead bullet and smokeless powder is to seat the bullet each day at the beginning of your hunt. Barrel sweating can and does cause misfires. Plastic sabots do not seal the barrel like a cloth patch will. If you dont believe me load a bullet/sabot in your gun and take the breechplug out, hold the barrel up to a light and look. Ive taken a barrel out of my truck into the house and the barrel will sweat. Ive taken a dry patch and had it wet when swabbing a sweat barrel. Its best to keep the cold if you can. h.h. |
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talked to Hornady---the corelokt is actually a very old design according to them but they said to use it instead of the ftx---go figure.