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Post by 10point on Oct 13, 2011 21:44:20 GMT -5
I called down to the farmer of where my Dad and I have been hunting on the first weekend of gun season for about 15 years now and got the news I didn't want to hear. The farm has been leased up by an outfitter that will be building a lodge and apparently hosting hunters. I know its the sign of the times but it stinks. The previous landowner died last year and his son who farms the property made the decision. I don't blame them for wanting to make the extra money but I sure miss the old days when I could just knock on a door and go hunting. Just don't see much future in hunting for the average Joe.
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Post by Decatur on Oct 13, 2011 22:02:14 GMT -5
Bummer!
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 14, 2011 2:59:54 GMT -5
An unfortunate sign of the times.
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Post by talloaks on Oct 14, 2011 5:56:39 GMT -5
You down by lee's lake?
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Post by 10point on Oct 14, 2011 6:51:21 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Oct 14, 2011 7:13:42 GMT -5
Leasing is coming to more and more areas as outfitters have to love Indiana's cheap, over the counter, non-resident tags. There are also more people willing to "pay to play" every year. Plus there is also a select few who swore that they would lease up every piece of ground they could to keep "evil xbowers" away if 2.0 passage came to fruition.
I'm fortunate to have several small spots (many less than 20 acres) and I continue to try and secure more of the smaller spots.
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Post by racktracker on Oct 14, 2011 9:11:17 GMT -5
Only going to get worse.
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Post by racktracker on Oct 14, 2011 9:15:24 GMT -5
Plus there is also a select few who swore that they would lease up every piece of ground they could to keep "evil xbowers" away if 2.0 passage fruition. Lol. He has been awful quiet lately. I guess it is hard to talk while licking wounds.  So much for "bombshells" and "squashing the 2nd proposal". Rotflmao! |
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Post by 10point on Oct 14, 2011 10:13:19 GMT -5
Glad I took up fishing a few years ago! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2011 11:06:36 GMT -5
PM me if you need a place to hunt, I'm near Vincennes
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Post by js2397 on Oct 14, 2011 11:23:46 GMT -5
Leasing and outfitting are going to increase since the new legislation passed making it so landowners are not liable for an accident that happens on their land during an outdoor activity.
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Post by swilk on Oct 14, 2011 12:17:36 GMT -5
Left hand is lobbying for additional hunter opportunity, additional seasons, additional weapons and overall hunter recruitment.
Right hand is concerned that leasing is ruining our sport, worried about loosing their hunting spots to outfitters and being overrun by inconsiderate folks on public and private ground alike.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2011 12:23:37 GMT -5
If outfitters can afford the cost of doing business, they can afford 8-13 cents an acre for insurance.
My advice is IF your hunting for free, seek out an agreement with the farmer/landowner and offer him something in return for a long term contract on your favorite spot BEFORE someone else does the same.
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Post by swilk on Oct 14, 2011 12:27:07 GMT -5
most leases that I have seen that go through some sort of agency have insurance as part of the deal.
When I leased my farm prior to buying it I took out a policy as well .....
I would think that the recent legislative changes would make it easier for a farmer to allow traditional "permission" rather than make leasing more favorable to them.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 14, 2011 12:38:25 GMT -5
last year there was an outfitter that rented a 10 person cabin at Delaney Park (washington county) all deer season. last year we spoke with many of his clients as we camp there during deer season.....it was kinda funny because we were killing deer off state property and they were paying to hunt private property and not killing.
this year the same outfitter has a 6 person cabin rented all deer season
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2011 13:07:43 GMT -5
Maybe....the outfitter had some restrictions on what he let his hunters kill? Most do have some in place to provide a quality hunt, people don't generally pay to hunt just to kill something.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 14, 2011 13:09:04 GMT -5
Left hand is lobbying for additional hunter opportunity, additional seasons, additional weapons and overall hunter recruitment. Right hand is concerned that leasing is ruining our sport, worried about loosing their hunting spots to outfitters and being overrun by inconsiderate folks on public and private ground alike. LOL... Oooopppsss, you forgot the "other hand" that is lobbying for shorter muzzleloader and gun seasons, move them out of the rut, keep the OBR, stop any other type hunters from hunting "their season" and maybe down the road draw for buck permits and/or antler restrictions.. Lots of unintended consequences all the way around... |
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Post by js2397 on Oct 14, 2011 13:32:41 GMT -5
I would think that the recent legislative changes would make it easier for a farmer to allow traditional "permission" rather than make leasing more favorable to them. Incorrect, the old law was if permission was given without exchange of money the landowner was not liable. Now the exchange of money does not matter. |
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Post by js2397 on Oct 14, 2011 13:35:36 GMT -5
If outfitters can afford the cost of doing business, they can afford 8-13 cents an acre for insurance. My advice is IF your hunting for free, seek out an agreement with the farmer/landowner and offer him something in return for a long term contract on your favorite spot BEFORE someone else does the same. It frees up the landowner from the liability issue, which makes it less of a worry for the landowner to lease his property. My family owns our land so it doesn't effect me. |
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 14, 2011 13:45:45 GMT -5
Maybe....the outfitter had some restrictions on what he let his hunters kill? Most do have some in place to provide a quality hunt, people don't generally pay to hunt just to kill something. nope no restrictions but putting 10 folks a day on 200 acre tend to run the deer off after a few weeks. the outfitter told us that the biggest problem was his clients was getting out of their stands and tromping around all over the place. by the end of the season they were dropping off some of their clients on state property each morning and afternoon. there was a bunch of negitive feedback on one of the KY forums last year from where some folks used this guy. I think the name of the service was "down em and mount em" www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1341657&p=1059125101#post1059125101 |
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