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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 18:01:55 GMT -5
Send me the money, I'll guide and guarantee you a antelope buck and a couple of does. Then we can go mule deer hunting. i'll get your tags for you too. But that will cost a few dollars more.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 9, 2011 18:19:00 GMT -5
i got burned once in Colorado.
Booked an archery hunt with a John Lamicq. This was about the time that we all started using compounds instead recurves so that tells you how long ago it was. The 5 day hunt was $160 with an $80 non-refundable deposit up front. Now I know that doesn't sound like much money but that was back when I was making about $100 a week.
Anyway 5 of us from Southern Indiana pulled into camp about 11am. It was several scrubby looking tents set up just off a gravel road in The Roosevelt National Forest. Inside were old army cots with no mattresses.
John was not in camp and had not been in camp for the last two weeks. He was off elk hunting for himself. The bowhunters that were there that week said that the "guide" drives them down the road a ways, stops points out a drainage and tells them "someone needs to go hunt down there". He kept doing that until all hunters are dropped off. He then comes back and picks them up at dark...but he forgot one evening as he had a few too many beers and the hunters walked back to camp - a considerable distance.
The 4 bowhunters said that they had seen a total of 6 deer all week - only one was a buck.
Hmmm?
I walked into the cook tent to get a cup of coffee and the cook said," You cant come in here now. They only time you all can come in here is at meal time." Whoa! I had hunted Colorado a couple times at Wayne Flower's Hot T Camp and the cook house was the gathering spot to shoot the bull. Nellie Flowers never shooed us out.
We all had a pow wow and said that John wasn't going to get our other $80 and we struck out on our own.
3 of the guys with us decided that they would just stay in town and go out and try to find place to hunt close to town. Mistake.
John Trout Jr. and myself found some BLM ground in Hank's Valley and had the other guys just drop us off with a tarp, a couple bed rolls, some groceries, and a couple pots. We roughed it for 3 days. We got into some deer and elk but couldn't quite close the deal on a buck.
We started doing DIY hunts at Hank's Valley from then on. We killed a few deer and elk there too.
Only other guided bowhunts I have done was pronghorn around Gillette Wyoming (100% success for 4 to 6 bowhunters for three years), several bear hunts in Ontario (60% success for 3 to4 bowhunters) and a pretend moose hunt in Alberta.
One bear hunt was a drop camp and we killed two bears ( a sow and a yearling) and they were the only ones hitting any baits. That was a take the Yank's money and run outfit.
The outfitter on the pretend moose hunt tried his best but they had a winter kill of over 30% of their moose in that area and it was post rut. Closest I got on a spot and stalk was a paddle horn bull at 72 yards. The guide and videographer wanted me to shoot but I declined. Whizzed them both off. Too bad....my limit was 60 yards.
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Post by span870 on Sept 9, 2011 19:09:13 GMT -5
Good and bad out there of em all. Just figure whats the worse that could happen if i strike out on my own. I don't kill anything. Yeah but I do it for half to a third of the cost of a guided hunt. Just have to do the research on some of the trophy areas that are out there. Talk to the game and fish departments and do my research. The animals are out there just have to find em. I know in utah and idaho alot of the outfitters that offer trophy hunts for muleys actually hunt the national forests and public lands. Little homework and see what happens. From what i experienced in Wyoming at least for antelope there really isn't any need for outfitter.
Hey Duff. This a trophy tree rat hunt? What's the average score?
Are they free range? Know you were running that canned tree rat preserve and don't want that kind of hunt.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 20:10:03 GMT -5
OK, get a hold of the DNR in Casper, have them send you a landowner list. Start finding private land that will let you mule deer hunt. antelope access is easy, but some won't let you deer hunt. anyway, you'll be able to kill both south of Casper in area 32. several ranchs there that are part of a access program that only tag holders can hunt. So, you'll have to draw or get a leftover tag for it. The seasons are staggered, so you'll have to finish up on antelope first, then deer hunt. Most of the ranches on Bates Route south of Casper caherge a small trespass fee, anywhere fron #25 to 50 per animal. You can rent a room by the week at Alcova in the Sunst Bar and Motel. You can buy doe antelope tags over the counter and hunt them in A22,32,31 and 47. Plenty of public land too.
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Post by span870 on Sept 9, 2011 20:31:19 GMT -5
Thanks Timex. I knew about the access programs they offer. Thats what i was planning to do for my next antelope. The deer I really want to hunt the high country for the muleys. From what i understand though you cant hunt the wilderness areas without a guide in Wyoming. Looking at Idaho and Utah Looks like some of the areas have some monster muleys. Just have to do the homework and draw the tag.
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Post by duff on Sept 9, 2011 20:45:19 GMT -5
Well I trapped the rats when they were stealing maters from the garden and have been giving them fortified tree rat food. I have some real hum-dingers lined up for you. Just say the word! I call them free range since I trapped them from wild stock.
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Post by span870 on Sept 9, 2011 20:52:55 GMT -5
Deal but I won't hunt over feeders. Whats the min. b&c score for book. ;D
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Post by steiny on Sept 10, 2011 9:24:38 GMT -5
Rotten deal, however the good news is that there are dozens of good outfitters in WY that will give you a deer antelope combo hunt fo that kind of money. Most are near 100% success too.
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Post by HuntMeister on Sept 10, 2011 17:13:34 GMT -5
The deer I really want to hunt the high country for the muleys. From what i understand though you cant hunt the wilderness areas without a guide in Wyoming. Plenty of high country that isn't in a wilderness in WY. |
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Post by daworz on Sept 10, 2011 22:30:47 GMT -5
So you paid infull, I have never hunted with a Guide, but I would think something was'nt right when they wanted paid in full before? Like HH said I would be in Jail, Thats a Fact Jack.
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Post by Indyhunter on Sept 11, 2011 17:23:16 GMT -5
Span, a friend of mine moved out to Nebraska a few years ago to work for Cabela's and from what he says he has some pretty good contacts even in Wyoming. He is mainly a bird hunter/dog trainer but has also taken some nice deer etc out there. He has begged me to come out that way and hunt for Pronghorn in Wyoming or whatever else I am willing to pay for. Much of what he knows is private land, but according to him finding a spot to hunt Pronghorn or Whitetail on private land isn't that tough, but Mule Deer are a different story (he states hunters HATE whitetails out that way due to their breeding with Muley's and pushing them around.) If push comes to shove I can always get in touch with him and see if he can provide any info or contacts at all. I need to make it out that way myself before I get Duff's age. I just don't have enough interest to spend 5 grand to do it.
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Post by duff on Sept 11, 2011 18:43:14 GMT -5
If that is the case, you missed your chance about 4 years ago! I've always been told I apear much more mature for my age!
Watch going hunting with Indy, he will shoot the game out from under you the first chance he gets!
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Post by span870 on Sept 12, 2011 4:56:38 GMT -5
I with you on not wanting to spend 5000 dollars anymore. Been on several guided hunts and all I can see I am spending money on is a lease and someone to cook for me. More and more I think about it seeming like a waste of money. Especially with states like Wyoming with an over abundance of public land that is really private with access. Granted its public for everyone but there are pocets that aren't getting hunted hard. I've heard that alot about western hunters hating white tails. Don't understand it but thats the way it is. I've seen and talked to alot of guys that shot smaller mule deer and were happier with them than if they shot a trophy whitetail. I guess to each his own. Might have to pick your brain a little on any info ya might have. Heck always looking for someone to go with too if you ever get the itch.
Duff, to correct you, its you have been told you look much more IMMATURE for your age.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 5:29:40 GMT -5
The problem with Wyo. and a other states is there is tons of public land....but some of it is not accessable without paying a trespass fee across someones private land. I've seen a 20' strip keeping you from hunting several thousand acres because the landowner won't allow trespaa or it's leased by an outfitter to keep the public out.
As for deer there, you might expect to kill a bigger mulie on a guided hunt, but you can kill them fairly easy on public land if you do your home work. Sometimes it's similar to elk hunting, the larger ones are push down by the winter snows. And the mass up on the ranches that irragate alfalfa and other green spots, such as drainages. Same with WT's, they will mostly be in the green areas. Not many green areas on the BLM open ranges.
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