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Post by Sasquatch on May 4, 2011 18:49:20 GMT -5
One of our esteemed forum members, Mr. Hunter7X, posted about trespassers on his land hunting mushrooms. One particular reply to this post got me thinking.. said reply was something along the lines of "what's the big deal, it's only mushrooms."
It has been my experience that those who will trespass for a reason they might deem as relatively minor ( like morels) will not hesitate to utilize someone else's land for a "bigger" reason; to pursue a gobbling turkey they hear on adjoining land or a deer they see on a backroad somewhere, for example.
To me this demonstrates not only a fundamental lack of respect for private property, but other sportsmen and even the rule of law in general.
Have you considered that one of the reasons hunting or fishing permission is denied by some landowners who otherwise would have granted it is because they caught hunters in a tree or mushroomers with a bag full of precious morels in their hands? Now when these landowners see anyone in a camo hat or wearing a realtree jacket, they think, trespasser.
I think we have a real respect problem in the outdoor community, and we need to police ourselves. We already have antis, shrinking land opportunities, and government red tape to contend with...why help dig our own grave by angering our neighbors?
Sermon concluded....
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Post by featherduster on May 4, 2011 19:00:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 19:00:53 GMT -5
Some people in society think they are entitled to what others have worked hard to achieve. Sadly, hunters are a segment of that society and hence some feel they are entitled as well.
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Post by Decatur on May 4, 2011 19:25:56 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on May 4, 2011 19:36:58 GMT -5
Spot on!!
As drove from turkey hunting yesterday afternoon I took what we call "the back way out" from our hunting area. I had not gone far when I spied two long beards in a picked corn field.I stopped and glassed them but did not even consider going after them as I do not have permission to hunt that ground.
The siren song of a mature gobbler has lured a many a turkey hunter to become a trespasser.
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Post by dbd870 on May 5, 2011 4:20:39 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more.
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Post by daworz on May 5, 2011 4:36:14 GMT -5
Great Post...I have problem with Hunter down on are land In Ky, Just because am not there they think they and come as they please, Cut My fence, Litter with there Pop cans and Candy Rappers, They shot one Of My Cows and You will see me on TV for some Indiana Guy came down here and started shootin.
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Post by drs on May 5, 2011 5:43:35 GMT -5
Great Post...I have problem with Hunter down on are land In Ky, Just because am not there they think they and come as they please, Cut My fence, Litter with there Pop cans and Candy Rappers, They shot one Of My Cows and You will see me on TV for some Indiana Guy came down here and started shootin. +3, on this thread/post!! This trespassing, on the property of others, is common in KY. Also, before I moved to KY, I hunted in on a cattle/grain farm near Glendale F&W Area, where the owner had SIX CATTLE shot, over a period of a few years. His land was posted and ONLY me & Family members were allowed to hunt. I had to call them a day before to let them know I would be hunting the next day. |
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Post by duff on May 5, 2011 6:13:22 GMT -5
It's bigger than the hunters/fisherman/trappers of this world. Like Timex posted we are a slim segment of the entire world. Just because someone likes to mushroom hunt or trap or ..... doesn't mean they share the same morals and upbringing that you or I did. Most of the people that I have run into that are tresspassing are not the serious outdoorsmen. Not saying it isn't true some of the time but it has more to do with society as a whole and very little to do with sportsmen as a whole.
It would be like saying all photgraphers are peeping toms or some other bad example. Sure there are some that are those things but the majority just don't do those things.
I do agree we need to be our own advocates and police ourselves but I feel pretty strong that we already do for the most part. Tresspassers and people that shoot livestock are not hunters but criminals and should be treated as such. I can't imagine anyone shooting a cow. Who has ever had that urge? I know it happens but it ain't because the person is a hunter, it's because that person is messed up in the noggin.
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Post by irishhunter on May 5, 2011 6:25:13 GMT -5
It always amazes me in the fall when we start reading of all the tree stands, cameras, and ladders that get stolen off peoples property. I always envisioned outdoorsmen as respectable open the door for others , yes sir , yes mam type of people...
I have been proven wrong- the post Sasquatch is refering to confirms that
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Post by parson on May 5, 2011 6:53:10 GMT -5
There's just a general lack of respect, in imo. We went through a building project a few years back, bought land, paid many thousands to develop the land. Stopped by one day during the process and see a guy roaming the land collecting the rocks that were unearthed. Explained to him that he was on private land. He says that he's taking the stones for landscaping purposes. I explain to him that we will be landscaping the property, perhaps including the stones. He quickly copped an attitude, so I invited him to exit the land.
He seemed to have a sense of entitlement that granted him the right to come onto property not belonging to him and take what he wanted.
I don't even know the market value of rocks, but I do know that this guy could have at least asked for permission before assuming that he had a right to take what he wanted.
I totally agree with Sas, it's not at all a question of the perceived worth of what is stolen- it comes down to respecting the rights of others
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Post by Sasquatch on May 5, 2011 7:12:39 GMT -5
It's bigger than the hunters/fisherman/trappers of this world. Like Timex posted we are a slim segment of the entire world. Just because someone likes to mushroom hunt or trap or ..... doesn't mean they share the same morals and upbringing that you or I did. Most of the people that I have run into that are tresspassing are not the serious outdoorsmen. Not saying it isn't true some of the time but it has more to do with society as a whole and very little to do with sportsmen as a whole. It would be like saying all photgraphers are peeping toms or some other bad example. Sure there are some that are those things but the majority just don't do those things. I do agree we need to be our own advocates and police ourselves but I feel pretty strong that we already do for the most part. Tresspassers and people that shoot livestock are not hunters but criminals and should be treated as such. I can't imagine anyone shooting a cow. Who has ever had that urge? I know it happens but it ain't because the person is a hunter, it's because that person is messed up in the noggin. Yeah...I don't mean to single out outdoorsmen as somehow worse than the rest of society. I just mean that it's worse when one of us--or someone taken to be one of us--- screws up, because we are a minority, and are fighting to preserve our heritage in a world that already doesn't understand us at best and is out to get us at worst. We have to be better than other people. We have to project twice as good an image as joe average citizen. |
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Post by hunter7x on May 5, 2011 9:06:46 GMT -5
spot on Sas. One of my trespassers did have on a camo hat. I suspected he was one of the lowly crossbow shooters or maybe just a heathen gun hunter. No way he could have been one of the upper crust bowhunters. LOL  (total joke people!) Actually your post reminds me of my opening morning experience with the rude tailgaters all wearing hunter orange. If you've got camo or hunter orange on, the world is watching and waiting for you to do something stupid so they can tell everyone about the rude hunters. |
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Post by kevin1 on May 5, 2011 11:31:14 GMT -5
How you look is just as important as how you act, a girl at Ivy Tech(obvious ARF) just walked in the door and began reading me the riot act for being a hunter simply because I was wearing camo pants. When she paused for breath I said "Young lady, just what makes you think I'm a hunter?" She replied that it was the camo pants. I retorted "These are Army issue 3 color desert BDU pants that I bought from a website, but for all you know I could be an honorably discharged veteran returned home after serving his country, would you dress me down if that were the case?" When she replied no I went on, "So you just judged a book by it's cover and took it upon yourself to publicly humiliate a complete stranger simply because you mistook him for someone you appear to irrationally hate? Is that correct, young lady?" While my volume hadn't increased, my tone left no doubt that she had just bitten off more than she could chew, and she shrank visibly as I continued. "You know, if one of my kids had done something that incredibly rude to a stranger in public I would've slapped the taste out of their mouth, but since you're not one of them I'll settle for giving you a brief lesson in manners. For the record, yes, I do hunt, but you seem to have a somewhat polarized view of hunting, so allow me to bring a few facts into this conversation." She started to open her mouth, but I cut her off with a terse "You're being rude again, I haven't finished speaking yet." As she once again shrank back I spent several minutes informing her not only of the many benefits that hunting provides, but how much revenue it generates for all state's game management programs, as well as the fact that we provide a valuable service to the community. Her eyes, which had been narrowed in anger, slowly widened in first confusion, then a gradual dawning of realization as I spoke. I concluded by recommending that she get a copy of "The politically Incorrect Guide To Hunting", and read it, or if she would write down her address or meet me here the next day I'd gladly lend her mine to read. All of this without ever raising my voice or being nasty with her. I doubt that I converted her to our ways, but at the very least I gave her something to think about, if only a lesson in manners.  |
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Post by Ahawkeye on May 5, 2011 12:24:45 GMT -5
I completly agree with the lack of respct part of these two threads. I also realize that in todays ways of doing things and the hard work it takes to aquire land for what ever reason, be it hunting, farming, or building..... that if someone were to walk up and take a mushroom, deer, rock, blade of grass or what ever without asking it'd whizz me off too. BUT the poster in question DID bring up one good point, the white man (me being one) stole this entire country from the Native Americans. Just because that's how it is now and that's the way we do things and we paid X amout of dollars for this ground. We did steal it from the folks that were here first. If I could go back in time I'd tell those people to fight for their land and never give it up. The world would be much different now and I probably never would have been born if America as we know it wasn't here today but what is fair would have been fair. That said if a Native American were to walk up to me and say that he was taking "his" land back I'd laugh at him and tell him to take a hike, but in the end we really did TAKE this land.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on May 5, 2011 13:16:57 GMT -5
Great post Sas!
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Post by wileyonetoo on May 5, 2011 20:12:20 GMT -5
The recent tornados that hit the south brought back memories of when my parent's home was blown away by a tornado and the lack of respect people have. I saw reports of looters that hit some of the damaged areas in the south. Pathetic....
Fortunately my parents were at my house when the tornado hit. Good friends and old neighbors called us and asked where they were. Needless to say we all shot out the door and headed to their place. As we arrived there were folks stopping by and asking if we minded it they "walked around and checked things out". We actually had some people in the debris picking things up and asking me if I thought my parents would "still want this". I'm talking tools and everything. They were asked to leave and not come back. My two brothers and I spent the night parked in the driveway with some personal protection. One of their neighbors was a Deputy Sheriff and he stopped by several times throughout the night to check on us. The sad thing is that we had people stopping all night long. When they saw us, and saw that we were armed, they decided to leave without asking questions. As has been said, there is general lack of respect no matter what the situation is: trespassing for shrooms or looting after a storm.
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Post by windingwinds on May 5, 2011 22:34:09 GMT -5
The problem with tresspassers and those who don't respect anyone else but themselves is they do ruin it for everyone else...........I have multiple new signs up on my land now from last hunting season when someone came and moved my bil's hunting blind for whatever reason. I think I should be safe to go out and take my kids hunting, without worrying about whoever feels free to tresspass at will. Because I don't think it's a long distance from tresspassing to accidently shooting someone. So many reports of horses and other animals who do not resemble a deer getting shot proves that these people do not belong on the land or carry a gun. Yet they continue to do it. Latest excuse is that we stole land from Indians...........how are responsible for the sins of our forefathers, hindsight is 20/20. We cannot change that. If mr.longhunter cares so much for that, then he is even worse than us, since he continues to "steal" our land. (Or is he stealing from the Indians who orginally owned it? either way, FAIL)
There are no adequate words for those who loot after such a horrible natural disaster...............
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Post by chicobrownbear on May 6, 2011 2:17:25 GMT -5
The last time I bowhunted, I had two guys waltz right down the trail with their bows. They got about 10 yards away before I let them know I was there. I was fairly angry, but decided if I ever get to bowhunt again I'm going to carry a camera and my CCW, in case the pictures I take for the Sheriff make someone react unwisely.
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Post by tickman1961 on May 7, 2011 8:23:33 GMT -5
Lack of respect is everywhere!
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