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Post by boonechaser on Mar 1, 2011 15:55:17 GMT -5
Both Louisville and Cinn. TV station's reporting major Asbestos contaimination at Jefferson Proving Ground's. Seem's owner improperly removed asbestos from military bldg's. and improperly disposed asbestos on the property. F.Y.I. all you JPG/Big Oak's hunter's. Asbestos is no joke and is extremely deadly. IDEM was quoted as "One of worst case's of asbestos contaimination they have seen." Some of you guy's may be able to upload video link from one of Tv station's. Watched it last night on Cinn. new's and just watch feed on internet from louisville new's on yahoo.
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Post by duff on Mar 1, 2011 16:48:54 GMT -5
No suprise. When I worked at Newport there were known dumps around the base where it was disposed of. Most of this happened years ago much like other impromptu landfills. Rules change and sometimes it is hard to change people's minds on what is good or bad. If you find a link upload it here I'd like to see the report.
Thanks, Duff
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Post by boonechaser on Mar 1, 2011 17:50:34 GMT -5
I don't know how to transfer stuff, but WHAS11 Tv out of louisville is the report i saw today. I am sure if you go to their website you can veiw. This is recent contaimination since the property was purchase by Dean Ford a farmer and businessman from Madison. Has happened since he purchased some 4000 acre's from Gov't about 10 or so year's ago. And asbestos came out of bldg's he supposedly redid into apartment's, house's, commercial bldg's.
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Post by old3arrows on Mar 1, 2011 17:57:14 GMT -5
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Post by old3arrows on Mar 1, 2011 18:06:01 GMT -5
Duff, if you ever traveled down P-Street between Elwood and Alexandria you will remember the now closed Madison County landfill on the north side of the road before you get to county road 200W. In the river bottom along Lilly Creek on the north side of the road, the old Johns Manville plant dumped a lot of their scrap and waste. They made shingles and insulation. In the summer time when the wind was out of the North it would turn your vehicle white! Yep, you guessed it asbestos! I remember it vividly as a kid asking my parents why it was snowing in the summer! To my knowledge, a lot of that material is still buried there!
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Post by boonechaser on Mar 1, 2011 18:15:36 GMT -5
Thanks old 3arrows. That is it. And yes I don't think this will go away.
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 1, 2011 18:19:44 GMT -5
Did you see the white pipe insulation crushed on the ground in the news report? Well, some kind of boiler system heated those buildings and external pipes went from building to building. The workers just stripped this stuff off and threw it on the ground.
My family and I took a little train ride sponsored by somebody here in Madison that went through the proving ground. Long lines of this stuff run along side the buildings...many hundreds of yards of it along the tracks. We thought it was concrete when we looked from the windows!
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Post by kevin1 on Mar 1, 2011 18:24:11 GMT -5
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Post by steiny on Mar 1, 2011 19:18:40 GMT -5
The dangers of asbestos are extremely over-rated.
In reality it was a very good building product, used for; siding, roofing, shingles, insulation, tile backer board, and all sorts of things. It is highly durable, moisture resistant, and lasts a long time. Many older homes have their original asbestos siding (called transite) that has held up well for over 40-50 years.
Unless you are breathing in the dust from asbestos being sawed, drilled, flaked apart, etc., the stuff isn't going to hurt you. If you breathe the dust for a long time, you can't cough it up and it can eventually kill you. A lot like coal dust / black lung. Authorities now claim that concrete or masonry dust, grain dust and many other types or airborn dust can be similarlly harmful.
Best thing to do would be just to leave it buried where it is at. Digging it up just creates more hazardous dust, and all they would do is move it and bury it elsewhere in an "approved landfill", costing a whole bunch of money. I'd about bet that whoever is making the big issue of this, will likely be profiting from the clean up.
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 1, 2011 19:44:17 GMT -5
The dangers of asbestos are extremely over-rated. In reality it was a very good building product, used for; siding, roofing, shingles, insulation, tile backer board, and all sorts of things. It is highly durable, moisture resistant, and lasts a long time. Many older homes have their original asbestos siding (called transite) that has held up well for over 40-50 years. Unless you are breathing in the dust from asbestos being sawed, drilled, flaked apart, etc., the stuff isn't going to hurt you. If you breathe the dust for a long time, you can't cough it up and it can eventually kill you. A lot like coal dust / black lung. Authorities now claim that concrete or masonry dust, grain dust and many other types or airborn dust can be similarlly harmful. Best thing to do would be just to leave it buried where it is at. Digging it up just creates more hazardous dust, and all they would do is move it and bury it elsewhere in an "approved landfill", costing a whole bunch of money. I'd about bet that whoever is making the big issue of this, will likely be profiting from the clean up. My grandmother's house has the same siding.... it's as good as it ever was.... the part that is failing is the little plastic buttons that are holding it on.
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Post by Decatur on Mar 1, 2011 20:18:37 GMT -5
The dangers of asbestos are extremely over-rated. In reality it was a very good building product, used for; siding, roofing, shingles, insulation, tile backer board, and all sorts of things. It is highly durable, moisture resistant, and lasts a long time. Many older homes have their original asbestos siding (called transite) that has held up well for over 40-50 years. Unless you are breathing in the dust from asbestos being sawed, drilled, flaked apart, etc., the stuff isn't going to hurt you. If you breathe the dust for a long time, you can't cough it up and it can eventually kill you. A lot like coal dust / black lung. Authorities now claim that concrete or masonry dust, grain dust and many other types or airborn dust can be similarlly harmful. Best thing to do would be just to leave it buried where it is at. Digging it up just creates more hazardous dust, and all they would do is move it and bury it elsewhere in an "approved landfill", costing a whole bunch of money. I'd about bet that whoever is making the big issue of this, will likely be profiting from the clean up. ! They even claim that road dust is hazardous. How many pounds of that have we all breathed in over the years?! If it's buried, leave it be.
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Post by boonechaser on Mar 1, 2011 21:28:52 GMT -5
Might be different if it was buried, but this is just thrown on top of the ground. And not just a little bit. We are talking lot's and lot's. I'm sure it break's down and can get into the water table. When Ford bought the property he remodeled and put in lot's of apt's and converted some of the barrick's into home's. I'm not living there and sure would'nt want anyone I know living there. One news network has renamed it to "Asbestos town".
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Post by Decatur on Mar 1, 2011 21:43:53 GMT -5
I still think he, or whoever made the decision to dispose of it like thy did, should be horsewhipped for how it was disposed of tho.
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Post by boonechaser on Mar 1, 2011 22:46:26 GMT -5
Agreed. I just can't believe anyone would just throw the stuff around for the whole world to see. Come on dig a hole bury it, but to just drive around and throw it out and dump in piles along the road is just crazy.........There is stupid and then there is STUPID.
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Post by tenring on Mar 2, 2011 6:26:26 GMT -5
He will wind up claiming that he hired a contractor to remove and dispose of the aforementioned asbestos according to all the rules and regulations, and that the contractor agreed to this and asserted he knew what to do, but cut corners in order to increase the profit margin, end of story. Take your money and run, and the finger pointing begins. Reminds me of two instances here, where trash was dumped on private property, and was traced back to someone hiring someone to haul it off to a transfer site, and was paid to do so, but increased the profit margin by just dumping it somewhere. One load was hauled all the way from Greensburg to Martinsville and dumped in an isolated corn field. I helped our local County Commissioner fill garbage bags one day with trash that had been dumped on one of his fields, that came from an apartment where the residents bugged out in the middle of the night without paying. Found out later that the apartment complex owner just hired some cheap labor to clean the place out and haul it to the local transfer station, but decided to increase the profit margin by using a rural road for the transfer station. Happens everyday, every where. A bridge near the entrance to our local shooting range is a convenient place for a lot of local people to deposit their weekly trash, washes right on down, past the FOB lodge, and backs up on log jams like you wouldn't believe. Heavy rains like we've had recently seems to break it up so it washes on down to White River eventually, hopefully. Different time, different place, different circumstances, same reason, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Mar 2, 2011 6:43:04 GMT -5
Duff...
Friable?
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Post by parrothead on Mar 2, 2011 6:53:45 GMT -5
He will get someone to take the fall for him like he did when he got busted for replanting RR soybeans.
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Post by tenring on Mar 2, 2011 7:21:36 GMT -5
I must have missed that one, what's wrong with planting Round Up Ready soybeans? Or is it the Devil is in the details?
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Post by parrothead on Mar 2, 2011 7:58:37 GMT -5
When you buy the seeds say this spring you have to sign papers that you wont take your harvest from this fall and re plant then next spring. That way you have to buy from them every year. Any farmers please correct me.
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Post by hunter7x on Mar 2, 2011 8:20:07 GMT -5
The dangers of asbestos are extremely over-rated. Being in the HVAC biz for going on 30 years I've ate my fair share of the stuff. It tastes a little like lead based paint but smells more like radon gas ;D ;D ;D
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