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Post by deweydutchmen on Jan 14, 2011 21:15:01 GMT -5
Telecheck would be nice, and I understand why some of you guys need it, but it's a non-issue for me, checking in a deer isn't a problem for me. Plus it gets people to the lodge!
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Post by huxbux on Jan 14, 2011 22:03:41 GMT -5
Good memory and good job! Here are the minutes. www.in.gov/nrc/files/May_2009_Minutes.pdfCosts are discussed on page 6 and 7 These meeting minutes pretty much answer the question of costs and my assumptions were incorrect. The systems discussed were outside vendors so no start up costs would be incurred by the state. Although the cost is a little higher than the figure you stated, it's not by much and as noted, it's pretty close in cost to the current check station system. I found something very interesting relative to this on page 8 Mitch Marcus, Division of Fish and Wildlife said this: “The committee recommended that we phase this system in starting with turkeys, and work the bugs out of the system and get us through the one-buck rule timeframe. For data consistency purposes, it would be best not to change data systems until we re-evaluate the one-buck rule.” Hmmmmm..........
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Post by firstwd on Jan 14, 2011 22:11:31 GMT -5
Good memory and good job! Here are the minutes. www.in.gov/nrc/files/May_2009_Minutes.pdfCosts are discussed on page 6 and 7 These meeting minutes pretty much answer the question of costs and my assumptions were incorrect. The systems discussed were outside vendors so no start up costs would be incurred by the state. Although the cost is a little higher than the figure you stated, it's not by much and as noted, it's pretty close in cost to the current check station system. I found something very interesting relative to this on page 8 Mitch Marcus, Division of Fish and Wildlife said this: “The committee recommended that we phase this system in starting with turkeys, and work the bugs out of the system and get us through the one-buck rule timeframe. For data consistency purposes, it would be best not to change data systems until we re-evaluate the one-buck rule.” Hmmmmm.......... Hux, buddy, we really need to have a talk about smacking the hornets nest....
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Post by vortex100 on Jan 14, 2011 22:17:35 GMT -5
I do realize not everyone has a computer (not everyone has a phone either). Tele-check would be a lot more expensive than you realize (I don't want to pay that phone bill). I would just like a second option to check in game. Online check-in makes more sense to me than tele-check. I don't see why this could not be done because when you check-in your deer the DNR eventually will enter that info into a database. We would just be saving them a step by entering the info online ourselves.
Option 1: take your deer to a check-in station as it is today Option 2: Check-in your deer online
Benefits on online check-in: low cost, DNR would have real time harvest #'s, fewer DNR man-hours
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Post by huxbux on Jan 14, 2011 23:48:15 GMT -5
I do realize not everyone has a computer (not everyone has a phone either). Tele-check would be a lot more expensive than you realize (I don't want to pay that phone bill). I would just like a second option to check in game. Online check-in makes more sense to me than tele-check. I don't see why this could not be done because when you check-in your deer the DNR eventually will enter that info into a database. We would just be saving them a step by entering the info online ourselves. Option 1: take your deer to a check-in station as it is today Option 2: Check-in your deer online Benefits on online check-in: low cost, DNR would have real time harvest #'s, fewer DNR man-hours This would require two check-in systems. Rather than saving any money, this would double the cost to the DNR.
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Post by shooterbuck on Jan 15, 2011 0:02:52 GMT -5
I do realize not everyone has a computer (not everyone has a phone either). Tele-check would be a lot more expensive than you realize (I don't want to pay that phone bill). I would just like a second option to check in game. Online check-in makes more sense to me than tele-check. I don't see why this could not be done because when you check-in your deer the DNR eventually will enter that info into a database. We would just be saving them a step by entering the info online ourselves. Option 1: take your deer to a check-in station as it is today Option 2: Check-in your deer online Benefits on online check-in: low cost, DNR would have real time harvest #'s, fewer DNR man-hours there is not one person in this state that deer hunts that can not find access to either a phone or computer . That is not a very good reason why IMO to have two systems or keep the old system.
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Post by Decatur on Jan 15, 2011 0:24:33 GMT -5
Telecheck would be nice, and I understand why some of you guys need it, but it's a non-issue for me, checking in a deer isn't a problem for me. Plus it gets people to the lodge! And? They VERY rarely buy anything. It's more of a hastle than it's worth!
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Post by firstwd on Jan 15, 2011 9:57:38 GMT -5
A computer system would work and be easy. For those that don't buy the licenses at home they are done through a computer at retail locations.
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Post by dadfsr on Jan 15, 2011 10:04:53 GMT -5
I guess what I'm not understanding is that there is already every system in place to buy any Indiana online which gives the DNR every bit of information about you that they seem to need to let you hunt...why can't that same system be used to "close the deal" Type in your tag # and report the results for the tag being completed....but I'm not a computer technonerd so maybe I'm just being too simplistic. If your able to buy your tag online then it ought to be an option to close that tag online too. The DNR is already going to online publications of the rules/regs "to save $$"....then why can't that same justification be used to allow checking in the tag online? I'm sure that any ICO could pull up your info and see just what tag you have bought-seems like it would be a natural extension for to see if you have filled it too.
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Post by tickman1961 on Jan 15, 2011 10:32:56 GMT -5
I guess what I'm not understanding is that there is already every system in place to buy any Indiana online which gives the DNR every bit of information about you that they seem to need to let you hunt...why can't that same system be used to "close the deal" Type in your tag # and report the results for the tag being completed....but I'm not a computer technonerd so maybe I'm just being too simplistic. If your able to buy your tag online then it ought to be an option to close that tag online too. The DNR is already going to online publications of the rules/regs "to save $$"....then why can't that same justification be used to allow checking in the tag online? I'm sure that any ICO could pull up your info and see just what tag you have bought-seems like it would be a natural extension for to see if you have filled it too. I like the way you think....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 10:46:16 GMT -5
Here's the deal, the DNR for some reason doesn't want Telechek, if they did they could have it today. Most don't know that there are several companys out there that could be contracted to do the phone banks at very low costs. One of them is Bass Pro Shops. With one call, they could have it going by next fall. The cost could be nothing depending on if the DNR would allow some sales pitch to be made during the call. And there are a lot of other options available, other than just saying it'll be $75,000 to set it up. That's not the only option.
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Post by vortex100 on Jan 15, 2011 15:18:07 GMT -5
HUXBUX - can you explain how adding an online check-in would double the cost to the DNR?
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Post by raporter on Jan 15, 2011 17:01:18 GMT -5
I seem to recall money being taken from the Lake Enhancement fund which all us boat owners paid into. Where was this money used? When will it be replaced? Probably more than enough to fund Telecheck until an apropriate method is formed.
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Post by huxbux on Jan 15, 2011 17:19:24 GMT -5
HUXBUX - can you explain how adding an online check-in would double the cost to the DNR? It would be simpler if you just read the meeting minutes I posted. The question you ask is answered there.
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Post by lugnutz on Jan 15, 2011 20:21:48 GMT -5
I do realize not everyone has a computer (not everyone has a phone either). Tele-check would be a lot more expensive than you realize (I don't want to pay that phone bill). I would just like a second option to check in game. Online check-in makes more sense to me than tele-check. I don't see why this could not be done because when you check-in your deer the DNR eventually will enter that info into a database. We would just be saving them a step by entering the info online ourselves. Option 1: take your deer to a check-in station as it is today Option 2: Check-in your deer online Benefits on online check-in: low cost, DNR would have real time harvest #'s, fewer DNR man-hours You cant have todays check in stations and have real time harvest #s. Once again, even if it cost $250,000 to start up, it will pay for it self, not paying a state employee compensation for doing so. And only then will you have real time harvest #s..... Another thing that may compromise using computers to check in deer......for one i doubt non residents can check in deer with a computer because it has to be checked in before it crosses state lines. Also for some hunters it would be more of a pain to use a computer, some being puter stupid and others having to take their game home before taking it to get it processed Just some thoughts before we get to gung ho on the puter idea. BTW you can make phone calls using your computer and internet, you just gotta know how.
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Post by vortex100 on Jan 15, 2011 20:28:39 GMT -5
I read the meeting minutes you posted, but I'm still not sure what that has to due with adding an option of online check-in. Even if the DNR approves the funding for telecheck they should still offer the option of online check-in.
Telecheck and online check-in would really be the same thing: Both you are providing information that is going directly into a database. One you call in the info the other you enter yourself.
Instead of waiting 5 years for telecheck why is it not okay to try to lunch an online check-in option this summer? Say 10% of the deer harvest is submitted online - DNR would save $ because someone that works for the DNR would not have to enter a couple thousand records into the database
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Post by firstwd on Jan 15, 2011 20:30:36 GMT -5
I do realize not everyone has a computer (not everyone has a phone either). Tele-check would be a lot more expensive than you realize (I don't want to pay that phone bill). I would just like a second option to check in game. Online check-in makes more sense to me than tele-check. I don't see why this could not be done because when you check-in your deer the DNR eventually will enter that info into a database. We would just be saving them a step by entering the info online ourselves. Option 1: take your deer to a check-in station as it is today Option 2: Check-in your deer online Benefits on online check-in: low cost, DNR would have real time harvest #'s, fewer DNR man-hours You cant have todays check in stations and have real time harvest #s. Once again, even if it cost $250,000 to start up, it will pay for it self, not paying a state employee compensation for doing so. And only then will you have real time harvest #s..... Another thing that may compromise using computers to check in deer......for one i doubt non residents can check in deer with a computer because it has to be checked in before it crosses state lines. Also for some hunters it would be more of a pain to use a computer, some being puter stupid and others having to take their game home before taking it to get it processed Just some thoughts before we get to gung ho on the puter idea. BTW you can make phone calls using your computer and internet, you just gotta know how. How do all the non computer folks get their licenses now? Computer check in would work the same way. The local locker here is a check station. Makes one stop shopping pretty easy.
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Post by lugnutz on Jan 15, 2011 20:56:09 GMT -5
Walmart---i got mine their this year, printer was outa ink---and i don't dare touch the printer,,,says my wife! lol
And you still haven't came up with a way non residents are going to check in their deer. As if the $150 doe tag isn't bad enough, now they gotta find a public computer in the middle of the night to check in their deer.
And i'm clueless as to what the "local locker" is..
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Post by huxbux on Jan 15, 2011 22:08:51 GMT -5
I read the meeting minutes you posted, but I'm still not sure what that has to due with adding an option of online check-in. Even if the DNR approves the funding for telecheck they should still offer the option of online check-in. Telecheck and online check-in would really be the same thing: Both you are providing information that is going directly into a database. One you call in the info the other you enter yourself. Instead of waiting 5 years for telecheck why is it not okay to try to lunch an online check-in option this summer? Say 10% of the deer harvest is submitted online - DNR would save $ because someone that works for the DNR would not have to enter a couple thousand records into the database I re-read your posts to make sure I understand what it is you're asking and I guess I'm not quite clear. You said this: followed by this: I understood this to mean that you wanted the DNR to maintain the old physical check in option as well as a new automated one . Maybe I misunderstood. If I read the minutes right, the automated systems discussed combined both on-line and telephone check-in, so if you're wanting both those options, it's already there.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 15, 2011 22:27:07 GMT -5
Walmart---i got mine their this year, printer was outa ink---and i don't dare touch the printer,,,says my wife! lol And you still haven't came up with a way non residents are going to check in their deer. As if the $150 doe tag isn't bad enough, now they gotta find a public computer in the middle of the night to check in their deer. And i'm clueless as to what the "local locker" is.. Nonresidents have to go to a check station now, if check in was on a computer license retailers could check in as well. By local locker I mean processor, meat locker, butcher shop....
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