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Post by cliff on Aug 5, 2005 9:39:47 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the new hornady sst deer slugs are ava. yet?Been looking to purchase some, but can't find them.
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Post by gundude on Aug 5, 2005 9:52:09 GMT -5
You will be seeing them everywhere in the next 30 to 45 days..... Id use that time to start saving your pennies cause they aint gonna be cheap!
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Post by John on Aug 5, 2005 11:15:50 GMT -5
cliff:
I haven't seen them anywhere in On. Can. either. I have read the specs from the Manuf. though. The Rem. kor loc't ultras and the Win. partition Golds have more energy and speed, but lack the "rifle bullet shaped" appearance of the Hornady. This may produce better penetration results, and possibly a flatter trajectory than the previously mentioned, "possibly". When I find them I will be giving them a try for sure. As for the price, well the Rem. and the Win premium rounds are $20.00 + tax= $25.00 approx. for 5 shells. in Can. funds. So I cant see the hornady being much more if any. When I go the range now it's $100.00 for shells to practice with the Rem. Ultras. I have got a few papers showing 2" groups with these at 100 yd. So the Hornady would have to produce the same. Given this, at 150 yds. the Rem. Ultras have a very flat trajectory, from barrell, a 2 in. climb to zero at 150 yds. And at 100 yds. over 1500lbs of energy. This is hard to beat in Slug ammo.
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Post by cliff on Aug 5, 2005 11:23:14 GMT -5
John,
what kind of gun are you using? I normally shoot lightfields but want to try the new Hornady's in my new savage-I HOPE i'M NOT DISSAPOINTED-I did shoot a h&r
ultra slug gun but wanted to try the bolt gun hope I' m not sorry.
cliff
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Post by John on Aug 5, 2005 11:42:44 GMT -5
cliff:
I shoot only Remingtons. I like them, they like me. I think it's Karma?
In order to get the results I wanted in a slug gun I had to work at it, you may have to as well.
By this I mean tweeeking the guns. I wanted to modify a Rem. wingmaster for Deer. So of to the range I go with different slugs and smoothbore barrell. Not bad out to75 yds. Not good enough. Buy a new rifled barrell $300. Out to the range again. Find a crack in the stock, back to the store to buy Synthetic stock kit. What the heck buy a scope to boot. Hit the range again and notice I want the barrell to be more dedicated. Back to gunsmith for locking keys to dedicate barrel to the reciever. Back to the range with three different types of Sabot slugs. After three outings and sighting in, 3" in .groups with Rem. ultras and some smaller. All Big Game animals must be on alert! The Gun shoots perfect still and I wouldn't part with it.
I also have a Rem. Super Mag Combo with a Cant. scope that pulls close to the same but just a little bigger groups so far. In the past two years alone I spent probably $1000. on Slug sabot shells. And fired all of them, I have maybe 1 box of 5 downstairs. Time to stock again.
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Post by John on Aug 5, 2005 11:47:08 GMT -5
cliff:
One small note that you may already know. Do not repeat fire slug guns. Give time between rounds for the barrell to cool a bit before the next shot. You do not want to heat the barrell to much.
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Post by John on Aug 5, 2005 11:53:54 GMT -5
here's my baby, Black Beauty:  |
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 5, 2005 22:19:38 GMT -5
These new slugs are the same as the Y2K slugs except the Y2K's had a 300 XTP instead of the 300 SST the new slugs will have. Most people i know who shot the Y2K slugs which where suppose to shot 2000 FPS had poor accuracy with them. Out of the three top speed slugs the Remington Core Loc is probably the most accurate for the average slug gun. Winchester Partion Golds are another one that seem to like a heavy barrel in order to achieve good accuracy. The H&R Ultra Slug gun is probably one of the most accurate slug guns on the market for the price. It will shoot almost any slug with good accuracy but its a b_tch to carry. If you have a slug that performs good in your gun now then I wouldn't buy these new Hornadys. H.H.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 6, 2005 8:08:01 GMT -5
These new slugs are the same as the Y2K slugs except the Y2K's had a 300 XTP instead of the 300 SST the new slugs will have. Most people i know who shot the Y2K slugs which where suppose to shot 2000 FPS had poor accuracy with them. Out of the three top speed slugs the Remington Core Loc is probably the most accurate for the average slug gun. Winchester Partion Golds are another one that seem to like a heavy barrel in order to achieve good accuracy. The H&R Ultra Slug gun is probably one of the most accurate slug guns on the market for the price. It will shoot almost any slug with good accuracy but its a b_tch to carry. If you have a slug that performs good in your gun now then I wouldn't buy these new Hornadys. H.H. Good information.. I think I would like to look at a change in slugs. I'm still shooting the Lightfields and they have done well for me. BUT - things change and if there is something out there that is better I'd like to move up. Thanks for the information.. |
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 6, 2005 9:00:41 GMT -5
Woody,
Most modern day rifled slug guns seem to shoot better with slower velocity slugs. Remington Copper Solids, Winchester Sabots and Lightfields sabots that shoot from 1400 -1550 fps are the most accurate, most of the time from the average slug gun. Most of the time these slugs will group 2" or less @100 yds from a good modern slug gun. You just have to shoot a few of each to see which one shoots the best in your gun. These newer high speed slugs like Winchester Partion Golds, Remington Core Locs and the Hornady SST will not group as good most of the time, but there are always exceptions to the rule. It kind of boils down to what is the standard of accuracy for each individual. For some its a pie plate @ 75 yds and others 2" @ 100yds. H.H.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 6, 2005 9:10:20 GMT -5
HH, You know the bad thing about comparing slugs? You have to shoot a bunch and the old shoulder takes a pounding..My old shoulders aren't in that good of a shape to begin with.. I've considered one of these Lead Sleds, but I cant justify the cost.. www.battenfeldtechnologies.com/820216.html |
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Post by John on Aug 6, 2005 10:30:46 GMT -5
Guys: The thing with Shot guns is the range of expectancy. For a shot gunner in the past it was 50 to 75 yds. With technology today it's 100 to 150 yds. After that you should be using a rifle. But a 2 or 3 in. group at 100 yds. is 5 or 6 at 150 yds. And if you sight in at 150 yds. with the new sabots you are always on. However with a slower sabot the drop will make a shot at that range only a guess. Since a lot of the areas I hunt in a under extreme pressure, sometimes you are forced to shoot 150 yds. And there is no rifle season.So if you want to bag an Animal you may need to go big on the sabots. If you are in a position where you can always get a 75 yd. shot or so. then the slower sabots are more than sufficient and accurate. I have found that not all High speed sabots perform the same. At the 100 yd. range. Some will produce 7 to 8 in groups while others 2 or 3 in groups. Each gun must be tried with each sabot to determine the best round for the grouping you want to achieve. All may very well be different. Like H.H. said, when you find one that meets "your" standard of accuracy stay with it.  john |
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 6, 2005 19:50:25 GMT -5
Woody, I bought a Benchmaster rest from Cabelas about four years ago. It cost 125.00 and I too thought it was a lot of money but did it anyways. It has to be one of the best shooting accessories Ive ever purchased! I put a 25 LB bag of shot across it and shoot away with no worries about recoil. I sighted a new 835 camo in this spring using 2 ounce shell and it never bothered me one bit. Any big bore magnum gun will shoot about like a mild .223. The nice thing is when sighting in you can concentrate on the shot instead of flinching because of the recoil. If you buy one you wont regret it. H.H. |
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Post by bigugly on Aug 7, 2005 7:57:42 GMT -5
I'm sure you all may know this. When using the fast slugs to increase pereformance a clean barrel is a must. When they first came out I thought they where the best. Then after about 20 shots I thought they sucked. At first getting 2-3 inch groups at 100 yrds. then started drifting to right off the target. I thought maybe it was just me. I am not recoil shy but these things hurt. Went back to the cheap sabots. Accuracy went back to normal. Had a friend watch me shoot new ones again, accuracy still no good and I was not flinching. Whats wrong? Asked my local gun dealer and he said" try using sabot cleaner in your barrel, the added heat from the increased power will cause a plastic build up in your grooves" I thought ya right. Well he was dead on. Cleaned barrel with sabot cleaner went back to range and couldn't miss. 10 shots later it started to creep away again. Sabot cleaner, oil patch and back to can't miss. The gun I use is a dedicated full rifled and is now sighted in zeroed at 150yrds. about 3" high at 75yrds and 2 inches low at 200yrds. This is with rem. core locts. Can't get Hornadies up hear.(everything usally takes a year to make it to Ontario) Winchester partitions are accurate enough just not as good. Plus they don't seem to open up as good as the Rems
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Post by schoolmaster on Aug 7, 2005 9:15:05 GMT -5
My Browning gold deer gun wont shoot anything but 3" BRI slugs with good accuracy. Everything else just a pattern. It is sighted 2 inches high at 50 yards and I use it in heavy cover where the shots are close.
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Post by jajwrigh on Aug 7, 2005 22:00:08 GMT -5
My 870 likes Remington copper solids the best so far in the 2 3/4" load and Winchester BRIs are in a close second. This year I may try some more depending on if I add a scope or not.
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Post by cliff on Aug 8, 2005 21:43:56 GMT -5
But does anybody know if they are ava. anywhere yet?Ihave emailed Hornady but no answer yet.
cliff
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 8, 2005 22:36:47 GMT -5
While at Gander Mountain last week the salesman told me they were making room for them on the shelfs and expected them in soon. So far i havent seen them anywhere. h.h.
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Post by cday on Aug 11, 2005 1:53:33 GMT -5
I will stick with the orginal Rottweil Brenneke 1 ounce slugs. It does the job out to 150 yards plus and everything closer especially at $3.95 a box.
John made a very good point about barrel heating up. I can get three slugs shot pretty quick to clover leaf at 100 yards but number 4 and 5 are out in the 6 inch range. It took me alot of shooting to figure this out.
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Post by drs on Aug 13, 2005 12:38:00 GMT -5
It would be nice to see the various brands of sabot shotgun ammo come down in price. At some $12 per 5 shells seems a little too steep! Even if they would sell their ammo at $18 per 20 shells this would atleast bring them inline with the cost of a box of .270 ammo. As they are priced now, it is really too pricy for most of us to pratice shooting when the price of sabots are $12 per 5 shells.
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