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Post by swilk on Oct 6, 2010 9:17:08 GMT -5
I assume some of you have seen the story ...... fire department has a policy in place that you have to pay a yearly $75 fee or they wont come and hose down your house if it catches on fire.
Policy has been in place since 1990 so its nothing new.
Man neglects to pay his fee ..... house catches fire .... fire department lets it burn to the ground.
Refuses to put it out.
Neighbors house catches fire and the FD puts it out ..... they had paid their yearly fee. After that house is out they continue to watch original house burn.
Thoughts?
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Post by swilk on Oct 6, 2010 9:19:19 GMT -5
I have not seen one valuable piece of information ........ did any portion of the mans taxes go to that FD?
Local tax? State tax? Federal tax?
Knowing that information is necessary before I can make a decision on how I feel about it.
I do know one thing for sure though .... I bet the guy wishes he had just paid the $75.
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Post by drs on Oct 6, 2010 9:42:49 GMT -5
I heard on the news channel that he REFUSED to pay the $75 fee.
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Post by swilk on Oct 6, 2010 9:50:05 GMT -5
I have seen that he refused. I have seen that he forgot.
Either way .... he didnt pay the fee before the fire.
He offered to pay it once the house was on fire .....
IMO, there are two sides to this coin.
Side 1 .... if tax $$ funded that FD I think I might have refused to pay any fee as well. I have a hard time stomaching being taxed to pay for something and then being asked to pay for it out of pocket as well.
Side 2 .... if tax $$ did NOT fund that FD I would have gladly paid the $75 each and every year. At that point it is no different than any other insurance policy.
I gotta know the tax information before I can decide how I feel about this one.
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Post by catahecassa on Oct 6, 2010 9:52:01 GMT -5
"taxes" yes - but not 'directly' if you will. They are "contracted" to what ever entity they serve, so they are simply a 3rd party service provider to that municipality (or neighborhood association, etc.).
That being said I REALLY do not think that they could just watch a house burn...I believe that they MUST provide services (UNLESS the property owner has notified them in writing that he refuses their SERVICE - not their fee!) in an emergency - VOLUNTEER or not!! Usually, any fees are billed AFTER the fact!
IC 36-8-12-16 Schedule of charges for service; conditions for collection; reports; failure to pay Sec. 16. (a) A volunteer fire department that provides service within a jurisdiction served by the department may establish a schedule of charges for the services that the department provides not to exceed the state fire marshal's recommended schedule for services. The volunteer fire department or its agent may collect a service charge according to this schedule from the owner of property that receives service if the following conditions are met: (1) At the following times, the department gives notice under IC 5-3-1-4(d) in each political subdivision served by the department of the amount of the service charge for each service that the department provides: (A) Before the schedule of service charges is initiated. (B) When there is a change in the amount of a service charge. (2) The property owner has not sent written notice to the department to refuse service by the department to the owner's property. (3) The bill for payment of the service charge: (A) is submitted to the property owner in writing within thirty (30) days after the services are provided; and (B) includes a copy of a fire incident report in the form prescribed by the state fire marshal, if the service was provided for an event that requires a fire incident report. (b) A volunteer fire department shall use the revenue collected from the fire service charges under this section for: (1) the purchase of equipment, buildings, and property for firefighting, fire protection, or other emergency services; (2) deposit in the township firefighting fund established under IC 36-8-13-4; or (3) to pay principal and interest on a loan under IC 22-14-5. (c) If at least twenty-five percent (25%) of the money received by a volunteer fire department for providing fire protection or emergency services is received under one (1) or more contracts with one (1) or more political subdivisions (as defined in IC 34-6-2-110), the legislative body of a contracting political subdivision must approve the schedule of service charges established under subsection (a) before the schedule of service charges is initiated in that political subdivision. (d) A volunteer fire department that: (1) has contracted with a political subdivision to provide fire protection or emergency services; and (2) charges for services under this section; must submit a report to the legislative body of the political subdivision before April 1 of each year indicating the amount of service charges collected during the previous calendar year and how those funds have been expended. (e) The state fire marshal shall annually prepare and publish a recommended schedule of service charges for fire protection services. (f) The volunteer fire department or its agent may maintain a civil action to recover an unpaid service charge under this section.[/color] As added by P.L.63-1991, SEC.8. Amended by P.L.70-1995, SEC.9; P.L.2-1996, SEC.294; P.L.1-1996, SEC.93; P.L.1-1998, SEC.213; P.L.50-1998, SEC.4; P.L.1-1999, SEC.100; P.L.240-2001, SEC.2.
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Post by swilk on Oct 6, 2010 9:55:34 GMT -5
If the guy was insured you can bet your ass there will be a lawsuit over this one.
His insurance company will go after them .....
Interesting that the policy has been in place since 1990. Is this the first time something like this has happened or is it just the first time it has made national news?
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Post by swilk on Oct 6, 2010 9:57:07 GMT -5
It is becoming more and more common for FD's to bill for services rendered.
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Post by parrothead on Oct 6, 2010 10:22:51 GMT -5
My fire dues are $35 a year. When they send the bill there is a sheet in there that says if they have to respond to a fire at my house and I have not paid my dues it is something like 350.00 per hour per truck. The time starts from when they leave fire house until they get back to the fire house.
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Post by parson on Oct 6, 2010 10:29:17 GMT -5
I think that this is beyond the pale of what is proper conduct. Charge him for services rendered, whoop his behind (this was rural Tenn), but don't stand by when it's in your power to help keep a family's home from burning, and possible save lives.
Pretty cold!
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Post by johnc911 on Oct 6, 2010 10:43:28 GMT -5
As a 16 year FF there is no way im gonna sit back and watch someones house burn, regardless of the fee. I dont see how these guys could live with themselves knowing they just sat back and watched.
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Post by batchief909 on Oct 6, 2010 10:43:57 GMT -5
After almost 33 years in the career fire service,,I am just sitting here shaking my head at this....
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Post by hunter7x on Oct 6, 2010 12:01:23 GMT -5
I that this is beyond the pale of what is proper conduct. Charge him for services rendered, whoop his behind (this was rural Tenn), but don't stand by when it's in your power to help keep a family's home from burning, and possible save lives. Pretty cold! absolutely. and Im glad to see the last 2 replies also. I find it very hard to believe a whole fire company has no morals and would stand there and watch the house burn. I'm thinkin there will be much more to this story as time goes by.
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Post by hunter7x on Oct 6, 2010 12:30:26 GMT -5
Just read another article that said they guys son knocked out the fire chief. it would definitely make ya want to do that!
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Post by treetop on Oct 6, 2010 14:26:09 GMT -5
I don't pay anything nor did they bill me when my home was struck by lighting, but I did give them a chunk of change and a free meal at the fire house for there service, and I can tell ya I fill I got off cheep.
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Post by Decatur on Oct 6, 2010 16:57:18 GMT -5
Who's gonna be next to start acting like this, EMT's, Police? Crazy!
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Post by throbak on Oct 6, 2010 17:40:43 GMT -5
my farm is on the township line I pay dues to Caanan and Brooksburg .but the closest by far is Moorfield, so I just give them money too hope I am covered
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Post by swilk on Oct 7, 2010 7:42:29 GMT -5
Playing the devils advocate .....
Lets say they had put this mans house out ..... what incentive would there be for anyone else to ever pay the $75 fee?
Their mindset, and rightfully so, would be they put his out for free and they will do the same for me.
How come the FD is playing the bad guy because this person neglected to pay their $75 fee? The consequences are a result of his actions.
Isnt this in some way what is a great problem in our nation today? People do not want to accept the consequences of their own actions and want others to do for them no matter what?
The FD in question was a mutual aid FD .... I still cannot figure out if this mans taxes actually paid for the FD or not??
Again, just giving viewpoints for the point of discussion.
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Post by swilk on Oct 7, 2010 7:45:04 GMT -5
If a dad "forgets" to pay his health insurance premiums and then his child gets sick and needs a life saving surgery ...... would the team of Dr's and the hospital be considered cold and heartless if they refused to do the surgery because the family cant pay?
Should they just do the surgery and the other people who do pay can just pay a little more in the future?
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Post by hunter7x on Oct 7, 2010 11:55:27 GMT -5
If a dad "forgets" to pay his health insurance premiums and then his child gets sick and needs a life saving surgery ...... would the team of Dr's and the hospital be considered cold and heartless if they refused to do the surgery because the family cant pay? yes and they need to find another line of work if money is their only incentive to save peoples lives.
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Post by swilk on Oct 7, 2010 12:04:58 GMT -5
So they should treat the uninsured and those who are able should pay the difference? Someone would have to pay.
Again ... just asking. Nothing I am writing has any bearing on how I feel about this one way or the other.
Just discussing.
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