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Post by chicobrownbear on Jul 27, 2010 15:17:16 GMT -5
needs his own "Ask the Arborist" forum.
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Post by raporter on Jul 27, 2010 15:46:29 GMT -5
WE are leaning on him pretty heavy.
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Post by dadfsr on Jul 27, 2010 18:38:38 GMT -5
After doing paving, roofing and waterproofing projects all day it sure is nice to actually do something that I was trained to do. Keep the questions coming!!! I'm a little bit busy right now until Purdue's fall classes start but I'll get to them as soon as I can  ....I'm actually still at the office but am finally ready to head home at a little after 7:30 pm (hit my first project at 6:45 this AM). |
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Post by huxbux on Jul 27, 2010 18:43:40 GMT -5
Better pick his brain all we can while he still remembers everything. |
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Post by old3arrows on Jul 27, 2010 19:22:56 GMT -5
OK, I have one for you! Is there such a tree as a sawtooth Aspen in Indiana? If so, are they a junk tree, and sort of look like an elm, with suckers that show up all over the yard. I have three of them that are dead up top and need to come down, had a tree service the other night tell me that it was a true silver maple, but I don't think so.
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Post by danf on Jul 27, 2010 20:45:36 GMT -5
A good picture is worth more than a thousand words. I don't think I've ever seen any aspen in Indiana, but I haven't seen it all by any means. This is an Aspen leaf (which to me looks much more like a basswood/linden than an elm):  This is what I'm thinking you might have:  The last picture is a Siberian elm. And, yes, they are pretty much a "junk" tree, especially if they are dead/dying. |
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Post by dadfsr on Jul 27, 2010 20:54:52 GMT -5
OK, I have one for you! Is there such a tree as a sawtooth Aspen in Indiana? If so, are they a junk tree, and sort of look like an elm, with suckers that show up all over the yard. I have three of them that are dead up top and need to come down, had a tree service the other night tell me that it was a true silver maple, but I don't think so. Got any pics??? Are they fairly tall, narrow and only been planted probably less than 20 years??? Got a stinking suspicion they are either a "Lombardi" poplar or something similar. Usually see this type of tree is advertised as a very fast grower, good for borders, fills in quick, makes an excellent windbreak, etc...what they don't tell you is that the tree grows fast but is comparatively short lived (you'll be lucky if you get 20 good years out them) and then the tree starts dying out leaving a mess to cut down and clean up. Most of these types of trees were developed for the "biomass" industry where they needed something that would give a lot of cellular material in a very short time. Cut 'em down, keep mowing off the sprouts and plant something native ;D |
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Post by dadfsr on Jul 27, 2010 20:58:20 GMT -5
Dan was posting the same time I was and I hadn't seen his post yet...take your pick of the possibilities. Just don't ask ME to post any pics   ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by old3arrows on Jul 27, 2010 21:02:48 GMT -5
I'll try to post a pic in the am. I see a bunch of these along my road 500 North, and they are all dying out. I have been there since 93, and they were mature when I moved in, so I would say it is time for them to go!
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Post by danf on Jul 27, 2010 21:03:46 GMT -5
Lombardi had crossed my mind too. Can't figure out how to post pics, but you've got an iPhone. ;D |
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Post by danf on Jul 27, 2010 21:08:33 GMT -5
For some reason I can't get the image tag to work, but here's a link to a pic of a Lombardy: tinyurl.com/2e9r5vqSheesh, that only took 4 tries to get something that was valid... |
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Post by dadfsr on Jul 27, 2010 21:26:57 GMT -5
Lombardi had crossed my mind too. Can't figure out how to post pics, but you've got an iPhone. ;D HEY NOW!!! I finally figured out how to email a picture that I took with the Iphone....give me a little credit |
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Post by old3arrows on Jul 27, 2010 21:59:21 GMT -5
Looks very, very similar, and the back side is silver or white.
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Post by huxbux on Jul 28, 2010 18:01:20 GMT -5
A good picture is worth more than a thousand words. I don't think I've ever seen any aspen in Indiana, but I haven't seen it all by any means. This is an Aspen leaf (which to me looks much more like a basswood/linden than an elm): There are actually quite a few of them in the HNF where we hunt that sprouted up in the clearcuts. I've been parking under one for years. I suspect they're about past their peak though, as some of them are already dying at 25 years old. I probably won't park under that one much longer. This is what I'm thinking you might have: The last picture is a Siberian elm. And, yes, they are pretty much a "junk" tree, especially if they are dead/dying. |
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Post by danf on Jul 28, 2010 20:24:22 GMT -5
Looks very, very similar, and the back side is silver or white. Which one looks similar, I posted 2 pics and a link to a 3rd? |
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Post by old3arrows on Jul 29, 2010 0:23:43 GMT -5
Looks more like the leaf in the link!
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 29, 2010 2:03:56 GMT -5
OK, I have one for you! Is there such a tree as a sawtooth Aspen in Indiana? If so, are they a junk tree, and sort of look like an elm, with suckers that show up all over the yard. I have three of them that are dead up top and need to come down, had a tree service the other night tell me that it was a true silver maple, but I don't think so. I don't know about a saw tooth aspen, but I have 7 saw tooth oaks growing on my property. They came from reclaimed coal mine ground as second generation seedlings. It was several years ago that the parent trees were planted. At that time you could get seedlings at the states tree farm at Valonia (not spelled right. These are not native to Indiana. The last time I was up there getting a load for the mine I ask about the saw tooth's and was told they no longer have them. These are really nice trees. They grow fast and within 8-10 years are producing large deer loving acorns. These acorns have a real jagged saw tooth looking caps. The leaves also resemble a saws teeth. These trees hardly ever shed all their leaves in the fall. They brown up and stay on the tree until spring. They do come off right before new fresh leaves emerge.It seems like overnight they turn green. At the mine where I dug my seedlings is a section of reclaimed forest property and there is about 2 acres of these oaks and It is a deer magnet. If I think about it I will get some pictures tomorrow of mine. |
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Post by dadfsr on Jul 29, 2010 10:01:10 GMT -5
OK, I have one for you! Is there such a tree as a sawtooth Aspen in Indiana? If so, are they a junk tree, and sort of look like an elm, with suckers that show up all over the yard. I have three of them that are dead up top and need to come down, had a tree service the other night tell me that it was a true silver maple, but I don't think so. I don't know about a saw tooth aspen, but I have 7 saw tooth oaks growing on my property. They came from reclaimed coal mine ground as second generation seedlings. It was several years ago that the parent trees were planted. At that time you could get seedlings at the states tree farm at Valonia (not spelled right. These are not native to Indiana. The last time I was up there getting a load for the mine I ask about the saw tooth's and was told they no longer have them. These are really nice trees. They grow fast and within 8-10 years are producing large deer loving acorns. These acorns have a real jagged saw tooth looking caps. The leaves also resemble a saws teeth. These trees hardly ever shed all their leaves in the fall. They brown up and stay on the tree until spring. They do come off right before new fresh leaves emerge.It seems like overnight they turn green. At the mine where I dug my seedlings is a section of reclaimed forest property and there is about 2 acres of these oaks and It is a deer magnet. If I think about it I will get some pictures tomorrow of mine. Yes sawtooth oak (quercus acutissima) grows in Indiana but is native to the far east. I've even seen some areas that consider it an invasive species since it fruits and spreads so easily. 'Gobbler' is a cultivar that was developed that produces an abundant crop of mast for turkey food. We have a fairly large sawtooth on campus that I'm desparately fighting to keep healthy due to encroaching construction and a "birds eye view circle drawer" landscape architect  I'm trying to get a couple started on my place if I can ever get the deer to leave them alone... |
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 29, 2010 17:25:21 GMT -5
I don't know about a saw tooth aspen, but I have 7 saw tooth oaks growing on my property. They came from reclaimed coal mine ground as second generation seedlings. It was several years ago that the parent trees were planted. At that time you could get seedlings at the states tree farm at Valonia (not spelled right. These are not native to Indiana. The last time I was up there getting a load for the mine I ask about the saw tooth's and was told they no longer have them. These are really nice trees. They grow fast and within 8-10 years are producing large deer loving acorns. These acorns have a real jagged saw tooth looking caps. The leaves also resemble a saws teeth. These trees hardly ever shed all their leaves in the fall. They brown up and stay on the tree until spring. They do come off right before new fresh leaves emerge.It seems like overnight they turn green. At the mine where I dug my seedlings is a section of reclaimed forest property and there is about 2 acres of these oaks and It is a deer magnet. If I think about it I will get some pictures tomorrow of mine. Yes sawtooth oak (quercus acutissima) grows in Indiana but is native to the far east. I've even seen some areas that consider it an invasive species since it fruits and spreads so easily. 'Gobbler' is a cultivar that was developed that produces an abundant crop of mast for turkey food. We have a fairly large sawtooth on campus that I'm desparately fighting to keep healthy due to encroaching construction and a "birds eye view circle drawer" landscape architect I'm trying to get a couple started on my place if I can ever get the deer to leave them alone... I can supply you with "seeds". I took some pictures this morning I haven't downloaded them yet |
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Post by chicobrownbear on Aug 1, 2010 16:02:39 GMT -5
We had a few aspen at my Mom & Dads but when the beavers moved in and found them they were the first to come down. My Father then waged a war that was comical and at least one time dangerous.
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....I'm actually still at the office but am finally ready to head home at a little after 7:30 pm (hit my first project at 6:45 this AM).
;D ;D ;D