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Post by js2397 on Jul 21, 2010 10:51:55 GMT -5
The Farm Bureau is one of the stakeholders and I am sure many here are members. This is a way to get a voice without having to join one of the other hunting groups. I am going to make. Call and suggest they send a survey to members before supporting any final proposal. This is a for profit organization and should have more concern for their constituents. If you are a member please take the time to make a call and let them know where you stand and ask that they survey their members.
Contact Justin Schnieder (317)692-7835
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Post by racktracker on Jul 21, 2010 10:58:30 GMT -5
Yes, I am a member. It is the farmer side of the Farm Bureau that is concerned on this. It is a falsehood that the insurance side cares one way or the other. They just raise our rates to cover for deer collisions.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 21, 2010 13:00:21 GMT -5
I am so hoping that Indiana farmers & landowners jump on the band wagon for our side. The landowner of the farm I hunt is not at all happy about these proposed changes to firearms & muzzleloader season. If fact he thinks that the OBR is crazy to begin with!!!!! If it was up to him he would let me kill every tree damaging buck & crop damaging doe on his place......
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Post by js2397 on Jul 21, 2010 13:01:03 GMT -5
I just talked with Justin and he said the Farm Bureau supports the goal but not necessarily the plan. He said they would be willing to support keeping the gun seasons the same as long as they kept the other parts of the proposal. This is the same thing Rep. Friends office told me when I called them. Make sure if you have issue with this plan or support it that you can justify your position with antlerless harvest data.
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Post by tenring on Jul 21, 2010 13:34:27 GMT -5
I'm with Farm Bureau and that sound like this needs to be a firm stance on their part. Want it on my records, so what would be his e-mail address. If he does reply, I'll print and save the response.
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Post by js2397 on Jul 21, 2010 13:49:03 GMT -5
Jschneider@infarmbureau.org
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Post by tenring on Jul 21, 2010 13:52:06 GMT -5
Thank you!
Would you happen to know his official capacity?
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Post by js2397 on Jul 21, 2010 13:58:33 GMT -5
He said he is one of the lobbyist for Farm Bureau. He was the one at the meeting yesterday representing the Farm Bureau.
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Post by bullwinkle on Jul 21, 2010 14:51:21 GMT -5
I just talked with Justin and he said the Farm Bureau supports the goal but not necessarily the plan. He said they would be willing to support keeping the gun seasons the same as long as they kept the other parts of the proposal. This is the same thing Rep. Friends office told me when I called them. Make sure if you have issue with this plan or support it that you can justify your position with antlerless harvest data. I want you all to think about what you are saying and doing. You are willing to make a deal with the Devil. You are now willing to let Bill Friend and Farm Bureau manage the deer herd. Not the profesionals. I want what I want and I don't care about the consequences. Don't stop there. Just open up the season all weapons. Don't call your district biologist, call your local Farm Bureau agent and give money to re-elect Bill Friend PAC. "They are there for you" |
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Post by js2397 on Jul 21, 2010 15:01:40 GMT -5
Farm Bureau was in on the meetings as one of the stakholders. The NRC has shown preference towards comments representing groups and since many are members of the Farm Bureau then they don't have to join the IDHA, IBA, or QDM to get out their view on the proposals. Someone else posted a letter showing Rep. Friends support of the changes I just pointed out that there is only one way to know what the people involved in the process are thinking and that is to talk to them. The IDNR is the ones that brought the Farm Bureau on board not anyone else.
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Post by speckle on Jul 21, 2010 17:55:33 GMT -5
As a farmer, and the farmers around here totally support this. They want more does shot and people just not buck hunting
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 18:22:20 GMT -5
I just talked with Justin and he said the Farm Bureau supports the goal but not necessarily the plan. He said they would be willing to support keeping the gun seasons the same as long as they kept the other parts of the proposal. This is the same thing Rep. Friends office told me when I called them. Make sure if you have issue with this plan or support it that you can justify your position with antlerless harvest data. I want you all to think about what you are saying and doing. You are willing to make a deal with the Devil. You are now willing to let Bill Friend and Farm Bureau manage the deer herd. Not the profesionals. I want what I want and I don't care about the consequences. Don't stop there. Just open up the season all weapons. Don't call your district biologist, call your local Farm Bureau agent and give money to re-elect Bill Friend PAC. "They are there for you"Your "opinion" of WHO the devil in this is is much different than mine. |
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Post by racktracker on Jul 21, 2010 18:44:13 GMT -5
As a farmer, and the farmers around here totally support this. They want more does shot and people just not buck hunting If this goes through we will see how they feel after next season.. We might kill as many deer, but it wont be enough as we have a growing out of control herd in some areas. I see this like I see Obama .. It will screw things up SO bad that we wont ever have to worry about the big buck boys running the show again. |
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Post by bullwinkle on Jul 21, 2010 23:24:23 GMT -5
Farm Bureau was in on the meetings as one of the stakholders. The NRC has shown preference towards comments representing groups and since many are members of the Farm Bureau then they don't have to join the IDHA, IBA, or QDM to get out their view on the proposals. Someone else posted a letter showing Rep. Friends support of the changes I just pointed out that there is only one way to know what the people involved in the process are thinking and that is to talk to them. The IDNR is the ones that brought the Farm Bureau on board not anyone else. You said "If you are a member please take the time to make a call and let them know where you stand and ask that they survey their members." That is not talking to them. That is calling on them to advocate your position. You are openly engaging and urging others to engage the Farm Bureau lobby and Rep. Bill Friend to advocate your position and influence the process. First off you don't understand Farm Bureau or you do and are misleading others. To be a voting members in Farm Bureau you have to be involved in the Ag business. Although you have to be a member to have insurance through them, those simply with insurance are not voting members unless they are in the Ag end. The irony of this is their Ag members could be surveyed and the results could come back they support the plan if it would kill more deer with a shorter season that farmers don't have to put up with all the hassles that take place during gun season. What if they survey their membership and their membership wants the ability to shoot deer on their property at will. After hearing testimony over the years at the state house you really need to understand how some landowners and farmers and legislators think about the DNR, Hunting , Deer and property rights. Go ahead and open pandora's box. What's your name and what group do you lead so that when it hits the fan you can get the full credit for your thoughtful action. |
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 22, 2010 2:20:40 GMT -5
As a farmer, and the farmers around here totally support this. They want more does shot and people just not buck hunting Evidently you and the farmers around you are lacking common sense. If the farmers around you "want more does killed and people not just buck hunting" on their property as you stated and the hunters they let hunt their ground will not do this for them, Then the farmer needs to get RID of these buck only hunter (who evidently are pretty stupid) and then simply get hunters who will do this. I'm sure there 1000's Indiana hunters here that would be more than happy to do the job and gain valuable FREE hunting ground rights. You should introduce your farmer friends to the Hunters helping farmers program, They will have several thankful hunters to choose from THAT WILL get the job done, but actually I'm sure your just blowing smoke. |
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 22, 2010 4:28:02 GMT -5
You said "If you are a member please take the time to make a call and let them know where you stand and ask that they survey their members." That is not talking to them. That is calling on them to advocate your position. You are openly engaging and urging others to engage the Farm Bureau lobby and Rep. Bill Friend to advocate your position and influence the process. Like this never ever happens ..... get real! So since the OBR didn't produce the big bucks like it was supposed to it's ok if the IBA and some in the IDHA use iffy at best science and numbers to hook and crook their idea of "quality" deer management into existence? Everyone is just supposed to sit back, shut up and take it in the arse like we did with OBR? Even with these new and "improved" rule changes people are still going to buck only hunt because of the licensing structure. Most people in the state make less than 30 grand a year. Most people can't afford a small fortune every year in tags to hunt bucks and does in several seasons. The season is only 16 days now and people are in such a panic about killing a deer they do silly crap simply because they don't have enough time. So hey I got an idea, let's cut that time even more that'll learn'em and solve all our problems! Get real .... and the current proposals are so far from real it makes me sick. So instead of addressing some real issues it's easier to get your "big buck" agenda passed and hope for the best?? You want bigger bucks, make a size limitation like the buck must have 3 or 4 antlers on one side or something like that. Don't cut peoples time in the woods. Not everyone can afford to take their vacation the week of Thanksgiving. |
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Post by tenring on Jul 22, 2010 7:28:22 GMT -5
jbwhitetail and DNA have become increasingly vocal about individuals exercising their 1st Amendment rights, which has over the years lead to an increase in the attempts to degrade the 2 Amendment.
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Post by huxbux on Jul 22, 2010 9:58:04 GMT -5
I want you all to think about what you are saying and doing. You are willing to make a deal with the Devil. You are now willing to let Bill Friend and Farm Bureau manage the deer herd. Not the profesionals. I want what I want and I don't care about the consequences. Don't stop there. Just open up the season all weapons. Don't call your district biologist, call your local Farm Bureau agent and give money to re-elect Bill Friend PAC. "They are there for you"Your "opinion" of WHO the devil in this is is much different than mine. Exactly. One's definition of the devil depends entirely upon what one worships. Anyone who believes that the end justifies the means .......... I just talked with Justin and he said the Farm Bureau supports the goal but not necessarily the plan. He said they would be willing to support keeping the gun seasons the same as long as they kept the other parts of the proposal. This is the same thing Rep. Friends office told me when I called them. Make sure if you have issue with this plan or support it that you can justify your position with antlerless harvest data. ...............must be willing to live without principles. |
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Post by js2397 on Jul 22, 2010 10:37:33 GMT -5
The only people that I or anyone else have contacted have been involved in the process from the beginning. The IDNR brought the Farm Bureau into the room. In my area we need to kill deer and I will support a plan to accomplish those goals. I haven't seen anything from these devils that I am opposed to doing. My issue is I don't think this plan will accomplish the goal. Many of you are not in my situation. I live in Harrison County that is always in the top 5 in harvest and also has thousands of acres of public land. I fear the organized hunting groups more than the FB or the legislature. These hunting groups work to divide us and make us vulnerable. Think back to when this started with Rep. Friend he united all of the groups to stop him. There was no I am a buck hunter, bow hunter, gun hunter, farmer, or anything else, just I am a deer hunter and I won't stand for this. I may not be as long in the tooth or as wise as you but I know who I don't trust.
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