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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 3, 2005 8:07:12 GMT -5
It is not a secret that the Indiana DNR is looking to control the herd through different or expanded methods of hunting and killing deer.
IF the IDNR said it was now legal to BAIT DEER would you:
1) Not bait and keep on hunting the way I have been
2) Head down to Rural King and buy a spin feeder
3) Buy some Deer Cocaine
4) Don’t know
Add any comments that you want to explain your position..
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 3, 2005 8:17:09 GMT -5
Baiting is already legal.....you are just required to "grow" the bait!!!!!
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Post by duff on Aug 3, 2005 8:19:39 GMT -5
Most of Indiana is one big bait pile anyways, except for the big woods areas. The best bait in Madison Co. is good habitat. Corn, alphalfa, beans are plentifull. Find some habitat with good cover some water close to ag fields and you will see plenty of deer.
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Post by kevin1 on Aug 3, 2005 8:47:42 GMT -5
I own a spin feeder for wildlife watching , and just put a small patch of oats and mixed greens out back by the "puddle" , but I wouldn't hunt the feeder or a pile of corn or Deer Caine . Call me contrary , but planting the oats was a big step for me .
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Post by Hood on Aug 3, 2005 16:50:23 GMT -5
I hunt in Ohio where it's legal to bait. However, I know very few who bait and even the ODNR says that it isn't real effective. I don't hear of any problems or concerns about baiting in Ohio.
As Camby says, you can plant a food plot. So what exactly is baiting?
As generous of a bag limit that Indiana has, I wouldn't think it would pose much of a problem. Yet when you look at what Michigan hunters have to say, it seems like baiting could be very detrimental.
My opinion is that baiting wouldn't change much in Indiana. I think the problem in Michigan is that they lack agricultural ground and guys are dumping huge amounts of bait drawing deer from longer distances.
Robert
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Post by duff on Aug 3, 2005 21:18:10 GMT -5
My uncle has some ground in the northern part of the lower half???(Baldwin area) I was really suprised when he showed me the bait pile. Tell you the truth I felt a little uneasy about it and we were not even hunting, just years of hunting IN showing through on that. He said they don't really benifit from the bait as most come at night. It does help them determine how many deer are arournd by the amount of beets, carrots, apples or what ever they eat. Another benifit he claims is the extra food for prevention of winter kills. Who knows, big woods and baiting are extreemly foriegn to me.
Now they are concerned about the TB and other potential diseases being spread to the congregated deer.
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Post by multidigits on Aug 4, 2005 6:27:15 GMT -5
DELETED...for personal attacks..
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Post by spc on Aug 4, 2005 9:49:02 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by multidigits on Aug 4, 2005 11:19:07 GMT -5
Dang it! ;D
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Post by oneshot on Aug 4, 2005 15:27:19 GMT -5
I don't think I would hunt over bait if it were legal but what I would like to do is put out a pile of deer cocaine and set up a game camera over it during the summer months to see what is in the area, and not have to worry about digging out a ton of dirt before the season started. I mean could you really get it all out?
On one of the properties I hunt a couple people put out salt blocks within 10 yds of their stands. I talked to the owner about me turning them into the local conservation officer and he said "no". He was afraid of retaliation.
Dang! Iwant them busted, so I put the salt in their stands.
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Post by mbogo on Aug 5, 2005 12:04:36 GMT -5
A mineral supplement like Deer Cocaine would be next to useless in the fall and winter. During a decent mast and crop year most other baits would be as well. Even in bad years deer quickly learn to avoid such things during daylight hours.
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Post by bigugly on Aug 7, 2005 6:48:01 GMT -5
I am from Ontario where it is legal to bait for deer. As some have mentioned a lot of the time the deer only come to it at night. Let me add to this the big trophies may only come at night but the freezer deer come all day on misty overcast days, tend to show up a little earlier any day. On the other hand some days they don't show up at all. It is still deer hunting and if they don't like something they don't come in. We bait mainly with corn and apples. The corn from a home made feeder and the apples on the ground. Now you have does and small bucks coming to the feeding area all the time, what shows up during rut, a mature guy. Every year we take one mature buck . Just one for the gang. Although I have never been the one at least one guy gets one. We have all agreed to leave it at just one mature buck, the exception being if you see a deer of a lifetime. We end up taking a lot of 18-30 month old deer great food.  We don't take turns year to year to who gets big guy just whoever and the rest of the guys are always told. One way to look at it as well is hunters claim to always be looking for the most humane way of harvesting an animal. Well picture this, you have your feeder set up so that the deer can only feed if it is broadside or slightly quartering and is standing still in a well maintained shooting lane 20 yards from your stand. We have never lost an animal. Some may think this un-true but for 6 years of feeding not one lost deer. Added note we also put out salt blocks but have never seen a deer lick them in daylight although they get used. ( our gang hunts in a thick swamp surrounded by agri. fields) |
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Post by budfields on Aug 7, 2005 17:58:41 GMT -5
Well..
I guess I have been hunting too long to start trying something different. I started hunting in 1964 and I have taken approximately 200 deer with bowand muzzleloader and I have NEVER USED BAIT.
I guess I use what can referred to as "Natural Bait" because I hunt oak ridges, creek bottoms, corn fields, bean fields, and my favorite bait.. ESTRUS DOES!!!
I have hunted in Michigan and found piles of carrots, apples and potatoes in the swamps. I often wondered how they got there until one of the "locals" came hauling in more with a wheel barrow..
GOOD HUNTING..
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Post by bigugly on Aug 7, 2005 19:54:59 GMT -5
When it comes to baiting in Ontario you have a few things to take into consideration. Although we have a lot of deer now by our standards you guys would think they are few and far between. In my area it was not long ago we had a three day shotgun only season. Now we have two tags aval. one for firearm and one for archery. Tommorow is the day to order our extra tag. Only 685 extra tags in our div. We try to make the most of it and quality bait seems to work the best for us. Don't own land for food plot.Or would do that.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 7, 2005 20:09:43 GMT -5
When it comes to baiting in Ontario you have a few things to take into consideration. Although we have a lot of deer now by our standards you guys would think they are few and far between. In my area it was not long ago we had a three day shotgun only season. Now we have two tags aval. one for firearm and one for archery. Tommorow is the day to order our extra tag. Only 685 extra tags in our div. We try to make the most of it and quality bait seems to work the best for us. Don't own land for food plot.Or would do that. The only baiting that I have ever done is for black bear in your province. That was back when us "Yanks" could do it on our own and in the Spring time too. I found out that baiting for black bear was no guarantee. Especially with a bow. I'm sure it is the same way with deer. Only deer have more to eat in the bush than bears do.. |
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Post by jbwhttail on Aug 7, 2005 20:52:53 GMT -5
Sure baiting is what I want to do when the threat of CWD and Bovine TB is related to baiting or feeding.
GEEZ>>>>>>> all for a freakin topic......
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Post by jajwrigh on Aug 7, 2005 22:07:43 GMT -5
I don't think I would "bait" per say. I like the idea of food plots and feeders don't bother me either.
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Post by bigugly on Aug 8, 2005 6:32:43 GMT -5
We use feeders not bait piles. My father in-law cash crops and we get all our grains from him, mostly corn. CWD should not be an issue fore us.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 8, 2005 6:41:40 GMT -5
Sure baiting is what I want to do when the threat of CWD and Bovine TB is related to baiting or feeding. GEEZ>>>>>>> all for a freakin topic...... Not to pick a fight , Joe.. But isn't your Omolene that you put out a form of "feeding"? |
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Post by jbwhttail on Aug 8, 2005 19:31:31 GMT -5
I quit the mineral project 2 years ago, it is your buddy who keeps that story alive.........
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We don't take turns year to year to who gets big guy just whoever and the rest of the guys are always told. One way to look at it as well is hunters claim to always be looking for the most humane way of harvesting an animal. Well picture this, you have your feeder set up so that the deer can only feed if it is broadside or slightly quartering and is standing still in a well maintained shooting lane 20 yards from your stand. We have never lost an animal. Some may think this un-true but for 6 years of feeding not one lost deer. Added note we also put out salt blocks but have never seen a deer lick them in daylight although they get used. ( our gang hunts in a thick swamp surrounded by agri. fields)
