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Post by deerman1 on Apr 20, 2010 18:32:59 GMT -5
. What do you have against crossbow's for people under 65? Nothing if left set up the way it is,or if a guy has a disability or injury. I guess I could ask what do the crossbow guys have against practicing all summer and becoming proficient with a real bow but I think I know the answer so I don't ask. Aside from all this, surely you and I are both way too intelligent to get into this conversation ;D Even though i am a bow hunter as well as gun hunter . I will answer that question for you . Most married men with jobs with long hard hours , gatherings with friends ,kids ,grand kids ,older parents that need assistance ,and homes or farms really just do not have the time to waste all sumer long just shooting a bow every evening or every other or even on an every weekend basis .I know the older I get the more I get on my plate the less my bow sees the daylight during the busy months of summer. And standing on a bow practice range is going lower and lower on my list of importance . Also if the gun hunters could just use a xbow all this we need to change the seson structure and bag limits would not be as important right now!!
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Post by duff on Apr 20, 2010 19:55:39 GMT -5
I have a feeling I am about to be very disapointed in our DNR...hope I am wrong. I might just be done shooting deer if some of these guys get their way. I like goose hunting way more and if they move the gun season back any further it will conflict with goose season in the south zone. Hope those guys wanting shorter gun season moved further back can absorb my unused LTL tags.
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Post by daworz on Apr 20, 2010 21:21:10 GMT -5
I did mine as well.
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Post by mrfixit on Apr 21, 2010 5:24:17 GMT -5
I have a feeling I am about to be very disapointed in our DNR...hope I am wrong. I might just be done shooting deer if some of these guys get their way. I like goose hunting way more and if they move the gun season back any further it will conflict with goose season in the south zone. Hope those guys wanting shorter gun season moved further back can absorb my unused LTL tags. I've never been goose hunting but if this goes thru like they say it is then I will have to start. I'll also get me a couple beagles and start rabbit hunting and other bird hunting too. The open season on does and the OBR have done enough to screw up deer hunting already to the point it's not as enjoyable as it once was or should be.
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Post by duff on Apr 21, 2010 6:11:17 GMT -5
Let me know I live in Lawrence Co and for the most part hunt geese in Greene Co. If you have any access to big corn fields I have plenty of gear to get you going.
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Post by indianahick on Apr 21, 2010 12:27:28 GMT -5
Okay since I take it the crossbow comment from Vectrix was aimed at me I will endeavor to explain my reasons. Once and only once. Thank you Deerman1 but your explanation is not my reasoning. Why because I believe that everyone with a family has to find time to practice. Now here is why. Indiana says that a 35 pound draw weight is legal to hunt deer. Will it kill a deer. Yes. At close range 15 to 20 yds. This I have seen. But where then does the crossbow come in? In yardage. Most Indiana bow hunters have their bows set at 60 lbs and more. Some have bows that use one pin for 10-20 yds. a second for 30, third for 40 and maybe a forth for 50 with some having pins set for 60. Sure your 35-40 lb bow will shoot 50-60 yds in the open. But the arc of the arrow takes that poundage of a bow down to 20-30 in the woods. And less than 30 from a tree stand. The reason is simply called age and with age comes the weakening of muscle. You are simply no longer able to pull that higher poundage. It is like the body skin of older people you will notice that it is no longer tight and smooth on their arms The muscles of a 65 year old person just do not work (are as strong) as those of someone in their 40's or early 50's. The body changes and weakens. Sure you can lift weights etc but you will still loose muscle mass. Crossbows would and will be an aid to any hunter 60 plus and especially for those 65 plus that have had heart attacks, stints, high blood pressure, etc, etc.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 21, 2010 13:23:40 GMT -5
From the IDNR...Correction on the ending date of the survey
The survey is to be available until Sunday, April 25. Our staff are working on correcting the survey form.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 21, 2010 17:01:58 GMT -5
I was told by the IDNR that there would be more information forthcoming next week.
Stay tuned..
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Post by deerman1 on Apr 21, 2010 17:45:15 GMT -5
Okay since I take it the crossbow comment from Vectrix was aimed at me I will endeavor to explain my reasons. Once and only once. Thank you Deerman1 but your explanation is not my reasoning. Why because I believe that everyone with a family has to find time to practice. Now here is why. Indiana says that a 35 pound draw weight is legal to hunt deer. Will it kill a deer. Yes. At close range 15 to 20 yds. This I have seen. But where then does the crossbow come in? In yardage. Most Indiana bow hunters have their bows set at 60 lbs and more. Some have bows that use one pin for 10-20 yds. a second for 30, third for 40 and maybe a forth for 50 with some having pins set for 60. Sure your 35-40 lb bow will shoot 50-60 yds in the open. But the arc of the arrow takes that poundage of a bow down to 20-30 in the woods. And less than 30 from a tree stand. The reason is simply called age and with age comes the weakening of muscle. You are simply no longer able to pull that higher poundage. It is like the body skin of older people you will notice that it is no longer tight and smooth on their arms The muscles of a 65 year old person just do not work (are as strong) as those of someone in their 40's or early 50's. The body changes and weakens. Sure you can lift weights etc but you will still loose muscle mass. Crossbows would and will be an aid to any hunter 60 plus and especially for those 65 plus that have had heart attacks, stints, high blood pressure, etc, etc. Oh I agree with the practice part to but my point was that is a good reason even xbow guys have to practice but it is not as rigorus or demanding as vertical bows .If you get my meaning here . It will not change impact because you did not shoot it this last two or three weeks because of little leauge basball practices and game and did not hold your had with the same fit or pressure on the grip. This was all I meant by the practice thing. Hope that clears it up a bit from my perspective.
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Post by throbak on Apr 21, 2010 19:04:10 GMT -5
I dont know whos trying to BS who but the crossbow thing is all about the antler and some ones afraid, some one that is not normally in the woods is going to get a chance at there Deer and if that is not the case why all Turkey seasons, OK Urban OK , GIVE ME A BREAK AND STOP IT .. born at night but not last night
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 21, 2010 19:18:50 GMT -5
"Practice?"
We all know there is no such thing as the "Practice Police". No one will make anyone "practice". The game regulations don't even require "practice" no matter what we are using - bow, crossbow, slug gun, PCR, etc, etc, etc.
We've all heard and maybe seen stories of guys buying bows and/or aroows the day or two before the season comes in.
No doubt that every bowhunter on here "practices" a lot or they probably wouldn't be hanging out on a hunting forum. Just from the posts, I think members here are pretty well dedicated..
BUT - that is not the case with all bowhunters. Most hunt with a bow for one reason only. To be able to hunt deer at a good time of the year. They do not really care a whit about archery. They will shoot enough to stay proficient.
Most will hang up their bows at the end of the season and not pick them up again until a week or two before next season. They will shoot enough until they are satisfied and then go hunting.
Shooting a compound is like riding a bicycle. A person might get a little rusty, but they don’t forget how. Recurve? Different story.
Now, before anyone says Woody is slamming bowhunters, I am not. I've bowhunted for over 40 years and just stating a fact.
I used to shoot archery a lot and went to a 3D shoots somewhere every weekend and sometimes two on weekend. I shot winter leagues at the indoor range in Evansville. I got to point where it was not fun anymore and I became one of those hang it up at the end of the season and pick it up a couple weeks before the next season bowhunter. I still killed just as many, if not more, deer. Like I said some and maybe most, will only shoot as much as it take and that is it. There are a lot more bowhunters than there are archers.
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Post by throbak on Apr 21, 2010 19:53:40 GMT -5
me too woody when some on this site were still in diapers or not even born I was in a tree with a Bear Recurve standing on a limb or setting on a notched 2by 8. and as things got better I got better with them, Jennings compound, hoyt compound and now at 60 yrs old I am ready to go to a cross bow whats wrong with being better at what I am doing or should I still be shooting a bear and dealing with the problems that go with that
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Post by batchief909 on Apr 21, 2010 19:58:24 GMT -5
Well stated, Woody.... I'm 53 and still love shooting a longbow. I might suck at shooting it,,,,but,,,oh well... ;D
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Post by deerman1 on Apr 21, 2010 20:14:17 GMT -5
"Practice?" We all know there is no such thing as the "Practice Police". No one will make anyone "practice". The game regulations don't even require "practice" no matter what we are using - bow, crossbow, slug gun, PCR, etc, etc, etc. We've all heard and maybe seen stories of guys buying bows and/or aroows the day or two before the season comes in. No doubt that every bowhunter on here "practices" a lot or they probably wouldn't be hanging out on a hunting forum. Just from the posts, I think members here are pretty well dedicated.. BUT - that is not the case with all bowhunters. Most hunt with a bow for one reason only. To be able to hunt deer at a good time of the year. They do not really care a whit about archery. They will shoot enough to stay proficient. Most will hang up their bows at the end of the season and not pick them up again until a week or two before next season. They will shoot enough until they are satisfied and then go hunting. Shooting a compound is like riding a bicycle. A person might get a little rusty, but they don’t forget how. Recurve? Different story. Now, before anyone says Woody is slamming bowhunters, I am not. I've bowhunted for over 40 years and just stating a fact. I used to shoot archery a lot and went to a 3D shoots somewhere every weekend and sometimes two on weekend. I shot winter leagues at the indoor range in Evansville. I got to point where it was not fun anymore and I became one of those hang it up at the end of the season and pick it up a couple weeks before the next season bowhunter. I still killed just as many, if not more, deer. Like I said some and maybe most, will only shoot as much as it take and that is it. There are a lot more bowhunters than there are archers. Well put . I know that I over the last few years have lost intrest in the 3-d shoots on the weekends and year round shooting thing as well . I think with age comes other things to occupie our time that we enjoy . I agree also about the you do not forget thing .I have no problem with shooting a bow .But like others do not want top declair myself handycaped to just make it easier for my back arms and shoulders .No to mention I like the looks of the new xbows and the way they handle as compaired to the ones 20 yerars ago .
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Post by Redemption on Apr 22, 2010 22:23:55 GMT -5
Guys, there has been recruitment if you can call it that on other forums asking for nonresidents to comment and fill out this survey. Any information gleaned from this will be tainted to say the least. It has also been said that anti's are filling out the survey in droves to skew the data. I hope the DNR will be able to sift through the BS, but I doubt it.
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Post by turkeyscout on Apr 24, 2010 6:26:49 GMT -5
.Done
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Post by cdye on Apr 24, 2010 9:32:37 GMT -5
sorry i missed your survey my puters been down for 3 weeks, did take the one on dnr website
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Post by racktracker on Apr 24, 2010 17:39:41 GMT -5
Done.
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Post by vectrix on Apr 24, 2010 18:24:29 GMT -5
Okay since I take it the crossbow comment from Vectrix was aimed at me I will endeavor to explain my reasons. Once and only once. Thank you Deerman1 but your explanation is not my reasoning. Why because I believe that everyone with a family has to find time to practice. Now here is why. Indiana says that a 35 pound draw weight is legal to hunt deer. Will it kill a deer. Yes. At close range 15 to 20 yds. This I have seen. But where then does the crossbow come in? In yardage. Most Indiana bow hunters have their bows set at 60 lbs and more. Some have bows that use one pin for 10-20 yds. a second for 30, third for 40 and maybe a forth for 50 with some having pins set for 60. Sure your 35-40 lb bow will shoot 50-60 yds in the open. But the arc of the arrow takes that poundage of a bow down to 20-30 in the woods. And less than 30 from a tree stand. The reason is simply called age and with age comes the weakening of muscle. You are simply no longer able to pull that higher poundage. It is like the body skin of older people you will notice that it is no longer tight and smooth on their arms The muscles of a 65 year old person just do not work (are as strong) as those of someone in their 40's or early 50's. The body changes and weakens. Sure you can lift weights etc but you will still loose muscle mass. Crossbows would and will be an aid to any hunter 60 plus and especially for those 65 plus that have had heart attacks, stints, high blood pressure, etc, etc. No sir, if you read my post again I stated that I completely agree with anyone with a disability or a gentleman up in age to use a crossbow. I am closing in on "old" and it's only fair to keep a weapon available to remain afield. To the guys who are too "BUSY" because they have a family to practice.. c'mon that BS. That sounds like the whole seasons too short or tags are too high nonsense I hear so much of and it's shameful. Most everyone has kids to raise, jobs to attend and lawns to mow. I have 3, they all play sports, travel sports!!! Who has 2 kids that have played 65 baseball games in one season, thats busy. Shooting a bow is enjoyable to me not work, and no I don't go out two weeks before season and practice only slob hunters do that. I have said it before, if you want to hunt Sept and Oct maybe purchasing a bow would be quicker than whining every year to DNR about how gun season is just way too short. The whole we need more of this and this is unfair thing grows old, we all have bills and lives to lead but if you are dedicated and want it bad enough then you make time. Indianahick, I hope you can hunt until your 100 and DNR gives you every means neccesary to do so, I have no problem with that.
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Post by mrfixit on Apr 25, 2010 5:48:24 GMT -5
No sir, if you read my post again I stated that I completely agree with anyone with a disability or a gentleman up in age to use a crossbow. I am closing in on "old" and it's only fair to keep a weapon available to remain afield. To the guys who are too "BUSY" because they have a family to practice.. c'mon that BS. That sounds like the whole seasons too short or tags are too high nonsense I hear so much of and it's shameful. Most everyone has kids to raise, jobs to attend and lawns to mow. I have 3, they all play sports, travel sports!!! Who has 2 kids that have played 65 baseball games in one season, thats busy. Shooting a bow is enjoyable to me not work, and no I don't go out two weeks before season and practice only slob hunters do that. I have said it before, if you want to hunt Sept and Oct maybe purchasing a bow would be quicker than whining every year to DNR about how gun season is just way too short. The whole we need more of this and this is unfair thing grows old, we all have bills and lives to lead but if you are dedicated and want it bad enough then you make time. Indianahick, I hope you can hunt until your 100 and DNR gives you every means neccesary to do so, I have no problem with that. Your my hero and when I grow up I wanna be just like you ;D
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