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Post by lugnutz on Feb 24, 2008 16:37:37 GMT -5
If whitetails are owned by the state, then how can an outfitter charge you a "trophy" fee? Or a fee at all for the taking of an animal that doesn't belong to them?
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Post by steiny on Feb 24, 2008 17:57:08 GMT -5
They can do whatever they want within the letter of the law.
It's up to you if you choose to pay for their services.
Never heard of any fair chase midwestern outfitters charging a trophy fee. Thats stuff usually occurs at the high fence places and south Texas outfits. I do hunt with an outfit in IL that will charge you $1000 fee if you kill a buck under 130" gross.
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 24, 2008 17:58:13 GMT -5
If Indiana ever sees an influx of outfitting, I would like to see the state regulate such things (leasing, also) in order to keep some of our good areas from becoming like Pike Co., Illinois.
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Post by buckeater on Feb 24, 2008 18:05:28 GMT -5
ive seen a lot of outfitters in illinois that are wild and fair chase that still charge trophy fees over a certain inch mark
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 19:19:43 GMT -5
Lots of land managers and outfitters manage their land by the number of bucks that they desire to have taken from the property over the course of a season. For example, you may only want to take 6 bucks off of X number of acres. A trophy fee lets the hunter spend less on a hunt unless he kills one of those 6 deer. He's not buy one of them, just buying a chance to kill one of what the property holds. Some managers also charge a fee if one of the hunters kills a deer that doesn't meet the pre set standard. Some reason, different principle.
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Post by lugnutz on Feb 24, 2008 22:30:08 GMT -5
So how in the world, can someone make money off of state owned property?
Kinda like me charging you for how many fish you take out of the river.
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Post by woodmaster on Feb 25, 2008 6:17:36 GMT -5
So how in the world, can someone make money off of state owned property? Kinda like me charging you for how many fish you take out of the river. Why in the world should your insurance company pay for vehicle damage caused by state owned deer? |
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Post by drs on Feb 25, 2008 7:49:47 GMT -5
If Indiana ever sees an influx of outfitting, I would like to see the state regulate such things (leasing, also) in order to keep some of our good areas from becoming like Pike Co., Illinois. |
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Post by tenring on Feb 25, 2008 10:19:33 GMT -5
Would it be safe to say that the DNR should close the barn door now before the horse is stolen ['kinda like high fence "hunting"]?
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Post by tenring on Feb 25, 2008 10:23:32 GMT -5
So how in the world, can someone make money off of state owned property? Kinda like me charging you for how many fish you take out of the river. Just like an outfitter will charge you for an elk hunt on National Forest land out west! Or an outfitter will charge you for taking you on a fishing trip in Canada on Provincial land that is owned by the Canadian government. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 10:25:56 GMT -5
So how in the world, can someone make money off of state owned property? Kinda like me charging you for how many fish you take out of the river. Nobody "sells" State owned property. They can sell a hunting experience or a fishing experience if someone wants to buy it. You don't get your money back if you come up empty though. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 25, 2008 12:26:41 GMT -5
So how in the world, can someone make money off of state owned property? Kinda like me charging you for how many fish you take out of the river. Nobody "sells" State owned property. They can sell a hunting experience or a fishing experience if someone wants to buy it. You don't get your money back if you come up empty though. What they are selling is their knowledge of where the game animals or fish are at. In some situations, that information can be priceless.. |
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Post by steiny on Feb 25, 2008 20:13:58 GMT -5
This notion about "closing the barn door"on outfitters, etc. is plum crazy.
I think you will find that in "horribly dreaded" states like Illinois, Iowa, etc. where a lot of this outfitting is going on ...... a good many, if not the majority of those outfitters are state residents who have simply found a way to make a living doing something they love. Putting any road blocks in the way of that for residents or non-residents is ridiculous.
What's next ...... deciding who and how many can set up and run canoe rental outfits and use our states rivers? Same principal applies here, they are making money off of a public resource.
Let the free enterprise system sort that stuff out. If you don't like it, don't participate.
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Post by lugnutz on Feb 25, 2008 20:29:44 GMT -5
To reserve your space, a deposit of thirty percent (30%) of the hunt price is required. The balance (70%) is due 60 days prior to your beginning hunt date. Deposits will not be refunded in case of cancellation. Deposits can be transferred to another hunt if made within sixty days of your original reserved hunt. The hunt price is for one trophy. Taking a trophy is not guaranteed. There will be an additional $750 for a 2nd trophy. Is the additional 750 for the trophy or the experience? www.pikeland.com/Another example: In order to manage the quality of the bucks for the future, there will be a 130-inch minimum on all hunts. Mandatory harvest fees of $100 for any buck grossing under 130 inches and $500 for any buck grossing under 120 inches will be implemented. www.eliteoutfitters.com/Illinois_whitetail.htmI suppose those fees are in case your experience isn't good enough for the outfitters so they charge you more correct? Or are they charging you for the state owned deer, once again? |
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Post by lugnutz on Feb 25, 2008 20:33:29 GMT -5
So how in the world, can someone make money off of state owned property? Kinda like me charging you for how many fish you take out of the river. Why in the world should your insurance company pay for vehicle damage caused by state owned deer? For the same reason i pay for them to fix my vehicle, if i hit anything owned by the state or anyone else. |
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Post by oldhoyt on Feb 27, 2008 12:55:03 GMT -5
Outfitters will charge what they can get.
You are paying them for a lot of things, such as access to property, food plots, scouting, stand placement, knowledge of what deer are there, food, lodging, etc. You are not buying the deer, only the opportunity to hunt.
If you choose to use one, you'll probably sign a contract of some sort that discloses their fee structure. That way they can hold you to it.
If you want meat, and they want fewer does, they will probably let you shoot does for less money than bucks.
Personally, I would rather find my own hunting land and hunt the deer that are there than hire anybody to do any portion of the hunting experience for me. That's just my opinion, but when I shoot a deer I've earned it.
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