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Post by ccdeer1960 on Jan 11, 2010 22:01:43 GMT -5
Timex whats BS? The amount of calls the county gets during gun season? I'm stating what I have observed for years.Call your local CO or Sherriffs Dept. ,they'll tell you the same thing. If you think I was saying "gun hunters" poach more that" bow hunters",you read something into it I didnt say.
I said I dont know why poachers wait til gun season to drive around with a gun,and shoot at deer out of the vehicle.Thats when most of the calls come in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2010 22:24:54 GMT -5
one reason that they get more calls during gun season is that neighbors can hear when the gun goes off. if some one is tresspassing they are poachers, now if they are trespassing during bow season and the landowner cant hear their weapon go off how many times do they call about hearing a poacher shoot on their land. for example i hunt a place that is 3000 total acres if im on one end and you are in the middle or somewhere else during gun season and you shoot i will know you are there now if you do the same with a bow i might not ever find out about it.
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Post by jabba on Jan 12, 2010 7:50:28 GMT -5
Right. You are ALLOWED to hunt of of a canoe... But they were NOT. (We didn't know it was allowed actually, and learned that nuance of the law since then) Their muzzleloaders were unloaded. And in fact... the two guys in the canoe ended up capsizing that day in the river, and lost their rifles. They were lucky that we rescued them too as it was like 20F out with water temps in the mid 30's. And the CO wrote them the no orange ticket on the ramp... while they were hypothermic. What an A$$. Jabba One question keeps popping up in my mind ever since I read this-if these two guys were nonproficient enough to capsize their canoe just by themselves then what the heck were they going to do with a deer IF they had got one??? OR IF they both had got one?  ?  They both had canoe time... but sometimes stupid stuff happens. I have logged a lot of miles with both those guys in canoes. I was in the boat that had a motor, and was part of the rescue crew. They got into a riffle and got a little sideways... then caught a log. It was not a good situation. We have permission to hunt several pieces of property along that water. Mostly farmers that HATE having the deer there to begin with. Jabba |
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Post by ski on Jan 12, 2010 8:26:16 GMT -5
Your friends had guns. They did not have orange exposed "at all times" and they were in the act of hunting. This happened at least a year or more ago and you have posted about it some 4 times now. Move on, they got what they deserved. I would not call them poachers. There is a phrase and it applies to me and every other man that has ever lived. It is called 'young and dumb'. This gets replaced by 'wisdom', if you let it.
As for posting a list of violators, the heart is in the right place, but who will pay for it? One wrong name gets on there and (poof!) lawsuit.
Firearm deer season opener is the un-official closing of the deer season for me.
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Post by Squealy on Jan 12, 2010 11:45:38 GMT -5
Your friends had guns. They did not have orange exposed "at all times" and they were in the act of hunting. With what you said, they had guns they have to wear their orange, that is NOT true. If the gun is unloaded and I am in my truck leaving, I don't have to have my orange on.... How is the situation ANY different than having the gun in your truck and driving to your hunting spot? They were using the canoe as a mode of transportation and not hunting, IE guns un capped. therefore they don't have to have orange on.... |
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Post by jabba on Jan 12, 2010 12:42:10 GMT -5
They were NOT hunting. We, at the time, thought we HAD to have guns uncapped (unloaded) while in the canoe, and were trying to follow the letter of the law.
Why not drop it? Oh it's water under the bridge, but still a good topic of debate. That's what I do. Right wrongs, and debate injustices, which I think this was. Like I said... I would have gone to court over it, but they didn't have the stones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2010 16:50:52 GMT -5
The question is not what they did, but should their names be posted on the internet assuming they plead guilty to the charges?
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Post by raporter on Jan 12, 2010 17:04:29 GMT -5
They were NOT hunting. We, at the time, thought we HAD to have guns uncapped (unloaded) while in the canoe, and were trying to follow the letter of the law. Why not drop it? Oh it's water under the bridge, but still a good topic of debate. That's what I do. Right wrongs, and debate injustices, which I think this was. Like I said... I would have gone to court over it, but they didn't have the stones. Jabba Justice is only Just if you can afford it. |
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Post by jkd on Jan 16, 2010 0:15:36 GMT -5
Uncapped is not unloaded, first off... and I would suspect that floating down a river during legal shooting hours with loaded guns constitutes "hunting" and not transport as far as the ICO is concerned... otherwise in the scenario and logic you described, all someone would have to do to defeat the hunter orange requirement is to drop the primer out of the muzzy and say "Oh, I'm not hunting now..."
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Post by raporter on Jan 16, 2010 10:40:23 GMT -5
Until this year or last uncapped was considered unloaded. As explained by a CO at Kingsbury several years ago.
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Post by deerman1 on Jan 17, 2010 12:45:42 GMT -5
You fella's can be awful dramatic and find ways to add more work for an already overburdened, understaffed, and underpaid DNR. Agreed there are too many who treat deer and deer hunting like a god and religion that if someone makes a mistake or purposely break a rule thay should be stoned or executed . But ask them about speeding tickets or some civil law being broken and well it happens and its ok its no big deal are the first words out of their mouth after my all time favorite quote of "its not the same thing" . In fact it is the same thing exactly. I feel its truly sad that some feel the need to break rules or to cheat to get ahead but it is what it is. |
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Post by tickman1961 on Jan 18, 2010 11:41:24 GMT -5
Uncapped is not unloaded, first off... and I would suspect that floating down a river during legal shooting hours with loaded guns constitutes "hunting" and not transport as far as the ICO is concerned... otherwise in the scenario and logic you described, all someone would have to do to defeat the hunter orange requirement is to drop the primer out of the muzzy and say "Oh, I'm not hunting now..." How is a muzzleloader going to fire without the primer cap? How is a bow and arrow going to shoot without an arrow being nocked? Sounds like to me the CO was having as bad a day as the two swamped hunters. No discretion was shown or given. |
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Post by buster on Jan 18, 2010 12:36:52 GMT -5
most guys floating in gun season, especially on opening day, are not hunting their own ground, seen it +10 |
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Post by savagehead on Jan 20, 2010 7:51:47 GMT -5
most guys floating in gun season, especially on opening day, are not hunting their own ground, seen it +10 You got that right .They are trolling and hoping to get lucky and get a deer and get gone...I have seen it as well and more than once. |
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Post by jabba on Jan 20, 2010 8:00:33 GMT -5
You got that right .They are trolling and hoping to get lucky and get a deer and get gone...I have seen it as well and more than once. Are you saying that about ME? Because YOU have seen it... doesn't mean that my buddies and I were doing that. I have seen an awful lot of people post national forest to keep other people out of THEIR little corner of public property, but that doesn't mean YOU do it does it? The implication that I am a liar is pretty offensive pal. Jabba |
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Post by savagehead on Jan 21, 2010 11:41:23 GMT -5
Jabba,
Dont get your feathers ruffled.my post was not directed towards you in any way.I simply stated that I have witnessed people floating and poaching.As a matter of fact the second time I witnessed this I put in the phone call that busted the 2 jokers who poached the deer off of MY property.Where you got I was implying you have done so is beyond me...I was replying to Busters post...
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Post by jabba on Jan 21, 2010 12:05:59 GMT -5
Fair enough.
That's the trouble with forums... and chat programs and e-mail. There is no inflection or body language and it's EASY to misintrepret.
Peace to you brother.
Jabba
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Post by lugnutz on Jan 21, 2010 16:17:56 GMT -5
Blah, Blah, Blah, Put all the poachers name on a designated web-site for us all to see.
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Post by savagehead on Jan 21, 2010 21:46:20 GMT -5
Jabba, no problems here..
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Post by jabba on Jan 22, 2010 7:52:36 GMT -5
Aparently I am just a trouble maker, as I am under fire for being hard to get along with on another thread too.
I just like to argue I guess. No offense intended toward anyone.
Do you know what argueing on the internet and the special olympics have in common?
Jabba
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