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Post by trapperdave on Jan 3, 2010 8:27:12 GMT -5
saw this on another sight, and thought it would make for some good discussion here.
from another sight...not me.
"I was hunting the last day of Muzzle loader with my bow and heard a shot. Saw the guy who shot about 15 minutes after the shot looking around. I asked him what was up , he said he had a long shot and couldn't see the deer that well, but knew it had horns so he pulled the trigger. He ran out of blood and he said oh well the coyotes will find it. It bothered me all night that he didn't seem to care . I went out this morning to look and spent two and a half hours crawling through the thickest scrub oak thicket where I know they bed down. At 10;30 I found the deer that was shot in the gut. It was still warm. I dragged it out and tagged it. I went back to pull my stand later today and there was this guy walking around looking for the deer. He asked what I was doing and told him I was taking down my stand, I didn't offer any information because it bothered me that he was to lazy to look the day before. Do you think I should have offered the deer to him? "
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 3, 2010 8:37:47 GMT -5
I would offer him the buck. First reason is selfish; while I would get some satisfaction knowing I did a good job running him down and that a deer did not go to waste, it just wouldn't feel like it was really my animal. Second, (hopefully) you could use it a teachable moment and in the future he may track the next one down. I don't have a problem with you doing what you did though.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 3, 2010 8:48:11 GMT -5
wasnt me, I would NEVER keep the deer. The guy had a bad hit and done the RIGHT thing. He backed out ands came back the next day to retrieve. Aint that what we keep preaching to everyone??
IF it were me..I would offered to help when I seen him looking, then would have gotten his number in case I found it before him, then I darn sure would have told him I had it when he came back the next day.
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Post by tenring on Jan 3, 2010 8:48:40 GMT -5
Long shot, couldn't see the target that well, abandoned the deer to the coyotes, really ethical hunter, giving up the animal would only promote unethical behavior and a continuing of it.
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Post by beehunter on Jan 3, 2010 8:59:10 GMT -5
I would not have kept the deer in first place.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 3, 2010 8:59:26 GMT -5
so ya never had a bad shot?
the only FACTS here are a guy shot a deer, poor hit, backed out and came back the next day. Textbook on how it should be done, NO?
the rest is pure conjecture on the part of the author IMO
Is it more ETHICAL to steal and lie???
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Post by jabba on Jan 3, 2010 9:07:40 GMT -5
The guy MAY have told the guy he was leaving it to the coyotes to keep him from coming back and stealing his deer. Not that it was a good lie that WOULD have worked...
I'd have given him his deer.
Jabba
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Post by Decatur on Jan 3, 2010 9:42:35 GMT -5
Kind of a toughy. I would have definately offered to help him look the night of the shot. I sure wouldn't want to use my tag on his deer, because even if you gave him his deer, your tag is still gone. If I knew I was going back to look for it, I'd have gotten his number like Trapperdave said.
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Post by woodmaster on Jan 3, 2010 10:55:08 GMT -5
so ya never had a bad shot? the only FACTS here are a guy shot a deer, poor hit, backed out and came back the next day. Textbook on how it should be done, NO? the rest is pure conjecture on the part of the author IMO Is it more ETHICAL to steal and lie??? There is a differance between TAKING a bad shot and MAKING a bad shot. I hate to say it but I'm made several bad shots on deer (2 this year) but I'm proud to say that I've never took a bad shot.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 3, 2010 11:24:15 GMT -5
and how do you know he did?
youre going by hearsay of the author. The only facts we have are he shot, it was poor, he came back the next day.
He could have said anything to the author hoping the author wouldnt try to steal his deer before he could return.(which he done anyway)
judge a man by his ACTIONS.
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Post by deerbiskit on Jan 3, 2010 12:27:08 GMT -5
and how do you know he did? youre going by hearsay of the author. The only facts we have are he shot, it was poor, he came back the next day. He could have said anything to the author hoping the author wouldnt try to steal his deer before he could return.(which he done anyway) judge a man by his ACTIONS. "he said he had a long shot and couldn't see the deer that well, but knew it had horns so he pulled the trigger." sounds like he TOOK a bad shot IMO.
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Post by swilk on Jan 3, 2010 12:56:06 GMT -5
and how do you know he did? youre going by hearsay of the author. The only facts we have are he shot, it was poor, he came back the next day. He could have said anything to the author hoping the author wouldnt try to steal his deer before he could return.(which he done anyway) judge a man by his ACTIONS. "he said he had a long shot and couldn't see the deer that well, but knew it had horns so he pulled the trigger." sounds like he TOOK a bad shot IMO. Trapperdave is saying that we dont really know what happened. The whole "long shot ..... couldnt see ... antlers ..." thing is not the words of the shooter. They are the words of a second party. I would have gotten his number when I first talked to him and called him if/when the deer was found.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 3, 2010 13:04:25 GMT -5
again, could have said that to deter the author from beating him to it... or he could have just been having a selfdoubting moment. alot to be left to "interpretation", hence the reason I would judge him by his actions.
and even IF he took an unethical long range shot...does that make it OK for the author to lower his ethics to that of a thief?
Either case, a golden opportunity was lost. An opportunity to HELP a fellow hunter. An opportunity to maybe give some direction to someone who knew no better? An opportunity to at the very least let the guy know the deer was found and save him a day of following a blood trail just to find a gut pile. An opportunity to do the right thing, regardless of what others do around you.
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Post by deerman on Jan 3, 2010 13:31:50 GMT -5
If the guy who shot it really acted like he wasn't coming back the next day to look for it I would have looked for it also. That way the deer doesn't go to waste, but when he showed up the next day looking for it I would have given it to him.
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Post by indianahick on Jan 3, 2010 14:59:58 GMT -5
Personally I would have given the deer up especially after the shooter returned. Shooter said he couldn't see deer that well but knew it had antlers. That could mean several things from deer in heavy brush to not being able to see deers head all that well. Gut shot? Bad hit. Many Many of us have done that. Lost blood trail? Been there done that. Hated it. Still do. Coyote statement. Could be nothing more than disgust from loosing trail. Give deer up. He came back. Maybe after a night of soul searching but he came back.
As for the author of the thread he has to live with himself.
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Post by duff on Jan 3, 2010 15:48:35 GMT -5
What has you so ate up over this? You or I or anyone else except those two guys know what really happened. To say one guy was more wrong then the other is pointless as we really don't know the real facts. I know what I have done when someone else was looking for a deer and I know I probably would not look for someone else's deer if they gave up. Just me.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 3, 2010 15:49:38 GMT -5
MY............WORTH.1) We are only hearing one side of the story. The shooter could very well have a lot different version of what happened. 2) The ONLY way the author found this deer is that it was mortally wounded by the other hunter. 3) The shooter DID come back to resume his search that he had quit the evening before. IMO - he did not abandon his search, just backed out. I, and I tell others, if you are not 100% positive of your shot and after a certain length of trailing produces no deer then back out and wait until morning. Don't push it. In this case the gut shot deer would have left no trail after awhile if pushed the evening before. 4) I would not want any deer that was shot by someone else, period. No deer is worth that to me. I certainly would not decieve anyone that way. IMO - to me, I woudl be lying and stealing the deer. 5) I'll bet it was a pretty decent buck. If it was a meat buck or a doe the author would probaby have been glad to hand it over.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jan 3, 2010 18:30:33 GMT -5
Not really ethical to tag someone elses deer, imo. Part of the problem with backing out till morning, depends on where you are at, someone could find it and keep it before you look (especially a big buck). Been in this situation with a liver-lung on a big buck and am pretty sure someone found it and kept it, next time on a shot like that I'm looking after 2 hours (instead of the next morning and 3 days).
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 4, 2010 8:03:28 GMT -5
He put a bow tag on a deer that had been shot with a muzzleloader? That sounds like the first step in the wrong direction. I probably would have looked for the deer also if those statements had been made to me, but I would have also told him that I had found his deer because he had indicated that he was leaving it for the coyotes. Then he could come get his deer.
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Post by tickman1961 on Jan 4, 2010 9:14:05 GMT -5
First of all, I would not lose sleep over the thought of someone leaving a deer to the coyotes, nor would I be up the next day looking for it. The author appears to want sympathy for his theft of another hunters deer. The fact he met the guy the next day and said nothing about finding his deer says everything, we have a thief and a liar.
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