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Post by scrub-buster on Jan 31, 2008 4:43:45 GMT -5
Just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on permanent vs. climber/lock-on stands. I have read some articles saying that deer stay away from permanent stands, but I have shot many deer from them. However, the last two years, I have taken nice bucks from the ground and from a climber. I have found some great new spots on our property and am afraid that if I build a stand, it might ruin the area. I also have some great news. No more hauling deer in the trunk of my car. I bought a 2005 Dodge Dakota Quad Cab with the magnum V8. I figure I should be able to haul at least a 200" buck in the bed.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 31, 2008 5:19:25 GMT -5
I've killed deer out of both, I wouldn't worry about it. Place the stand for best advantage for the most common wind direction etc and press on.
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Post by danf on Jan 31, 2008 7:56:31 GMT -5
Had a permanent stand several years back that produced a deer every opening morning of shotgun for 4-5 years in a row-- BY 8:30!
I don't think the problem is permanent vs. movable. I think the problem lies in the fact that one certain stand can be overhunted in a given time-frame. I set one stand back in August that I hunted out of exactly ONE time, and I killed my buck that sitting (was there a whole 5 minutes before shooting him too!). Give your self options (as many as you can afford), and DO NOT hunt them if the wind is wrong for that stand.
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Post by turkeyscout on Jan 31, 2008 8:02:39 GMT -5
........hey scrub-buster, if your energetic, build the permanent, need to know the prevailing wind, and a good approach to the stand and is this spot a really good spot???. i favor the CLIMBER in most situation,if you got a lot of experience in the area and know where the deer are likely to come from, the approach is real important on the site you pick.where i hunt the food source changes alot, with a climbler i can adjust to that,especially early in the season, LOCATION ,LOCATION ,LOCATION....SCOUT, SCOUT,SCOUT ,THEN PATIENCE, PATIENCE, PATIENCE are some of the keys to a successful and enjoyable hunt..hope this helps!!! and congratulations on the dodge dakota truck ...good luck with- what ever you do!!.....TAKE A YOUNGSTER ON YOUR NEXT OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE....turkey scout
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 31, 2008 9:05:43 GMT -5
I agree with Dan.
The problems with building permanent stands is:
1) If they are made of wood the weather can damage them and make them unsafe
2) Deer will change their patterns as the season progresses. Where the permanent stand is at in early seoasn could be great and a "no seeum" in late season.
I prefer a good well made lock on style that can easily be moved when necessary.
I'm too old to climgb and climbers are sometime too noisy.
IMHO...
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 31, 2008 9:18:14 GMT -5
Oh, I was assuming he was setting metal ladder stands; I agree with Woody on wooden stands. I have seen stands in the same place be productive for several years.
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Post by hunter7x on Jan 31, 2008 9:40:22 GMT -5
I have a stand on the property I hunt that has been there in the same tree or within a few yards for 17 years and I kill does out of it every year. I also have hunted places on the same farm I have never hunted in 17 years because of increased deer sign for a variety of reasons. Nothing wrong with perm stands but being mobile is a huge factor in being successful also. If your hunting ANY deer like in the above mentioned "sure nuf" stand I have, it's great. If your looking for mature bucks during archery season you need to ba adaptive.
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Post by hunter480 on Jan 31, 2008 9:40:49 GMT -5
Use Ladder Stands-deer pay them NO attention, they`re safer than wooden permenants, and they`re safer than even climbing stands. Unless something major changes in your area, deer are going to use mostly the same runs, so a good stand location is good from one year to the next. IF something does change, they`re a pain to move, but they certainly are moveable. They`re the way to go.
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Post by indianahick on Jan 31, 2008 10:04:12 GMT -5
Metal ladder stands, 16 foot high, get as big a one as you need to feel comfortable. Tie it to the tree with steel cable to make it more thief proof. Best of all you can move it if you want; not as easy as climber or lock on type. But you are not stepping over cables that hold the platform that can cause one to catch their foot and cause one to fall especially when dressed for cold weather and movement is restricted because of clothing.
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Post by parrothead on Jan 31, 2008 10:14:35 GMT -5
I have lock on stand and I use TV antenas as my ladder. They dont bother the deer.
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Post by hornharvester on Jan 31, 2008 17:22:34 GMT -5
Each have their advantages. Climbers are very mobile and you can change positions to cut off a buck or set on a active trail. Ladders stands mean less equipment to carry in and out. Pick the one that fits your situation the best. h.h.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Feb 1, 2008 7:20:30 GMT -5
I use ladder stands in Kentucky that stay up year around since I only muzzleloader & rifle there. The deer get used to them. Locally I use climbing sticks & hang-on's. Some are left up year around & some are taken down, depending on location & access.
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Post by drs on Feb 1, 2008 7:52:55 GMT -5
I use a permanent stand & a portable ladderstand, on my property.
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Post by steiny on Feb 2, 2008 15:21:34 GMT -5
I do not use permanent "nailed up" stands anymore. They are unsightly and can be very dangerous. The wood rots, nails pull through the boards as the tree grows, etc. Instead I built a bunch of 15' tall all steel, welded ladder stands and just leave them in place on my home farm, year round. The deer get used to them. If you use the wind right and don't over hunt them, they work great. On land I don't own, I always use my climber. Don't want others knowing exactly where I hunt, and don't have to worry about getting anything stolen. Also, I find the climbers much more comfortable and safer that the lock-on types.
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Post by drs on Feb 2, 2008 15:28:37 GMT -5
I do not use permanent "nailed up" stands anymore. They are unsightly and can be very dangerous. The wood rots, nails pull through the boards as the tree grows, etc. The permanent stand I built is made of treated lumber. It's been up for 20 years and is in excellent shape. No nails comming through and the wood is as good as new. It is also located where no one notices it and blends in well with the surroundings.
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Post by old3arrows on Feb 2, 2008 19:15:48 GMT -5
Safety is the key! Inspect your stands on a regular basis especially before the season. All types of stands have their advantages and disadvantages. I use them all to my advantage. When I was younger and didn't have the money I put up a few wooden stands and hunted a lot off of the ground. I use a climber on the draw and park hunts. I really like ladder stands and have six on my property, as well as two lock ons, and three ladders on another property. I need to take down a couple of ladders in unproductive locations and put one more up in a hot spot that is a little more concealed. Ground blinds work great too! I would still hunt out of a wooden stand, but I would make sure it was good and sound before getting in one. Plywood/treated board is a bad idea for platforms unless it is kept painted. It rots too easy and squirrels seem to prefer it over hickory or walnuts! ;D I learned a hard lesson years ago about not putting down a piece of carpet on top of the platform for noise and slipping hazards. I went to an old 10 foot wooden stand in the dark and snow one time wearing rubber pack boots. I just got my gun hung up when my feet went out from under me on the frozen boards, and I landed on my back in a brush pile. The limbs cushioned my fall. I was wearing plenty of heavy clothes, so it didn't hurt too bad, but things could of turned out a lot worse! After that adventure I stayed away from wooden stands. The owner of the Friendship Tavern took a bad fall a few years back from a wooden stand that he has still not fully recovered from. He has never been back in a tree since.
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Post by mbogo on Feb 4, 2008 16:46:47 GMT -5
Woody, I've heard this theory quite a bit but I don't buy it for a second. I've had too many deer come in, completely relaxed and unaware, while in the process of climbing up or down a tree. Even when you do make some noise I don't think it spooks them too much. My father "rattled in" a buck a few years ago when he made a lot of noise with his stand on a calm day. The buck, a nice 3.5 yo 8 pointer, came in looking for a fight. Unfortunately, he caught my Dad 6 feet up and with his bow still on the ground.
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 4, 2008 17:57:44 GMT -5
That happened to me last fall. She walked right by like I wasn't even there.
Done that too!
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Post by hornharvester on Feb 4, 2008 18:22:26 GMT -5
Noises that spook deer are metal on metal or something hitting metal. Sticks breaking or something scraping bark doesn't bother them as much since they are more natural. h.h.
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Post by woodmaster on Feb 4, 2008 19:26:56 GMT -5
Woody, I've heard this theory quite a bit but I don't buy it for a second. I've had too many deer come in, completely relaxed and unaware, while in the process of climbing up or down a tree. Even when you do make some noise I don't think it spooks them too much. My father "rattled in" a buck a few years ago when he made a lot of noise with his stand on a calm day. The buck, a nice 3.5 yo 8 pointer, came in looking for a fight. Unfortunately, he caught my Dad 6 feet up and with his bow still on the ground. .......how many deer have you spooked and not known about? I've waited for my Dad to come out of the woods and seen deer running that he had no idea that he spooked. No matter what animal your hunting I believe the quietest approach is best as long your walking into the wind.
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