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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 10:34:17 GMT -5
It takes 125" to make one of the record books, most folks are more than happy with a buck that size......most, not all. I like to protect a buck until he's at least 2 then he's on his own after that.
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Post by INDeerhunter on Dec 22, 2009 11:20:19 GMT -5
Im not one for "trophy" hunting I think any deer I take legally is a trophy to me whether its a doe spike or a 150'' record book buck. I think the ad they put out to promote their business is funny and it definitely contradictes itself but whatever, I will stick with what I call "hunting" and killin my "trophies" hopefully for yrs to come wheather they are 100 lb deer or 300 lb ones 2 yrs old or 7 it doesnt matter to me as long as I enjoy myself in the field and enjoy the meals that it provides for my family. Im not about to chuck out a couple grand to take a chance on a "big" "mature" buck or catch a fine for shootin a lil one lmao I will just stay with my public land and hunt the way a I always have and with luck I will kill again this season or next
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 22, 2009 11:20:52 GMT -5
looks like an attempt to keep clients from shooting two year olds, important for an outfitter. I'd agree that 90% of the bucks I see that reach three are going to gross over 130. I've never seen a deer not go way over that in Indiana once it hits four. I wonder how small time outfitters like this did this year? I say that most of the deer over five would beat 130 --- but 90% of three year olds beating pope and young minimums? 90%? Also I have to ask, you have never seen a deer that's four years old not go way over 130?" By way over, do you mean 140? 150? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just suprised that you never have seen what you take to be a four year old deer that scores less than 140 or 150 inches, or whatever "way over" 130 " is. If 90% of three year olds beat 130" and every deer over four is way over that I must be hunting in the wrong spot. I passed all bucks for seven years once and probably seen four or five deer that would go 150" in the wild. Once again, not trying to be a turd, I'd just like to know where all these deer are. I don't think you are a terd, and yes, sounds like you need a better area to hunt. Pressure is mostly what ruins potentially good areas.
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Post by wileyonetoo on Dec 22, 2009 11:47:13 GMT -5
I'm with buckbuster, except I'm fortunate to have private ground to hunt. I hunt for the meat and could care less about a trophy.
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Post by evolutionsthunder on Dec 23, 2009 17:19:26 GMT -5
different people consider different things as trophy could have been the way a hunt turns out to harvest a doe or something special on taking a little buck i guess what i am saying is its the hunt that turns into the trophy and it does not take a big buck to do it for me
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Post by jabba on Dec 23, 2009 19:15:10 GMT -5
Methinks if they are in the business of selling deer that they would have done a better job in their sales pitch. The grammar and spelling is terrible. Mosta us uneducated hillbilly hunters wouldn't have ever noticed anything wrong. I mean, only half of us can even read right? Jabba
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 23, 2009 19:39:53 GMT -5
Methinks if they are in the business of selling deer that they would have done a better job in their sales pitch. The grammar and spelling is terrible. Mosta us uneducated hillbilly hunters wouldn't have ever noticed anything wrong. the only wya I caight iot was i spelt cheked it. That is why we have these little teensy tiny gremlin pictures with santy hats on. Deertracks would be lost without them..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2009 20:24:57 GMT -5
its amazing how so many people can score a buck in the woods while hunting how many times have you heard it on here oh i passed up a say a 140 in deer i,v been hunting 40 yrs can,t never guess them right they always end up being lower than you think i guess they shrink when they hit the ground never was worth a darn at ageing one either
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Post by Decatur on Dec 23, 2009 22:02:14 GMT -5
Mosta us uneducated hillbilly hunters wouldn't have ever noticed anything wrong. the only wya I caight iot was i spelt cheked it. That is why we have these little teensy tiny gremlin pictures with santy hats on.
Deertracks would be lost without them.. LMAO!
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 24, 2009 8:53:31 GMT -5
its amazing how so many people can score a buck in the woods while hunting how many times have you heard it on here oh i passed up a say a 140 in deer i,v been hunting 40 yrs can,t never guess them right they always end up being lower than you think i guess they shrink when they hit the ground never was worth a darn at ageing one either just have to know what to look for, number of points, tine and beam length, and mass, spread doesn't factor in much. You are right that most people over-estimate and rush to shoot. I'm more concerned about age than overall score.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 24, 2009 12:16:41 GMT -5
A mature deer at 3.5 years? Just what do they mean 'mature'? Old enough to reproduce or mature as in reaching its maximum antler growth potential? I don't see a 3.5 YO deer as a mature buck. A 3.5 YO still has AT LEAST 2 more good years of antler growth potential. Many times a 3.5 YO buck will put on a lot of inches if left to grow another year. 130" bucks in my neck of the woods are common. A 130's 3.5 YO might be a 150's buck in another year with the right food and mineral sources throughout the spring and summer. My 2 cents..... I consider a 3.5 year old buck to be mature (an adult), due to the fact that its skeletal system has stopped growing. Its rack will indeed have further potential, but I don't personally equate antler size with maturity. There are older bucks with low-scoring racks. So, for me anyway, maturity is 3.5 years old or older.
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Post by duff on Dec 24, 2009 19:18:53 GMT -5
I am with you duck, I can't hardly figure how those guys that always see the 12 to 16 pointers run by at hundreds of yards away... Where I hunt you barely have time to pull the bow back once you see the deer. Figure if I like it I will shoot it, I don't need some score to determine what I am going to shoot.
I think it is great that these guys placing their own restrictions and trying to get paid for the opportunity. It ain't for me and they don't want me.
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Post by featherduster on Dec 25, 2009 6:50:43 GMT -5
So what happens if I shoot a smaller buck (under 130") and I refuse to pay the fine what can they do? If I place my State of Indiana deer tag on it that deer belongs to me. The worst thing that can happen is I won't be allowed back.
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Post by swilk on Dec 25, 2009 9:38:21 GMT -5
Says a lot about a man that would sign a contract and then not honor it ....
Since Im sure we are talking in hypotheticals here ..... Assuming there is an actual contract I would say they could pursue a lawsuit for breech of contract and collect not only the fine but any associated attorney/court costs.
If there is no contract involved ..... what happens if you pay them their money and they decide not to let you hunt at all? The worst thing that can happen is you wont want to come back.
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Post by steiny on Dec 25, 2009 11:43:09 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with their 130" min. rule. It's a free country, if you don't like their deal, don't use them.
As a side note, at $1250 you aren't going to get much of a hunt. Good outfits that produce will get $3000 for the same hunt. Probably a new outfit trying to get started. Success rates on guided midwestern whitetail hunts are very low, even at the very best places, I'd guess 20% or so would be about the norm, probably less for archery only places.
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Post by gobblerstopper on Dec 25, 2009 12:27:46 GMT -5
Says a lot about a man that would sign a contract and then not honor it ..... Kinda what I was thinking. If you are hunting anyone's ground (paying or not) you do so on their terms. Sure, you can take your deer and go home, but most people have more respect than that. Besides, I'm guessing they would just charge the credit card you leave on file. Penalties for below minumum deer are nothing new anyways. I know several hunt clubs and private ground in general where you are fined X amount of dollars if you shoot a buck below the minimum and even more for button bucks.
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Post by matahone on Dec 25, 2009 21:26:52 GMT -5
""mineral licks, and supplemental protein feeders are all part of BHO mngmt. strategy."" I hope they remove these items ALONG WITH ANY AFFECTED SOIL prior to any hunting............................ I was hopeing/thinking the same thing...
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Post by featherduster on Dec 26, 2009 9:48:11 GMT -5
What if the deer measured 129 1/4" would you pay the fine.If they are so concerned about the 130" rule they should put a guide on each hunt.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 26, 2009 9:58:03 GMT -5
What if the deer measured 129 1/4" would you pay the fine.If they are so concerned about the 130" rule they should put a guide on each hunt. I would pro-rate it.. I had that happen to me on a pronghorn hunt. The outfitter stated a "trophy fee" of $50 an inch over 12 inches in horn length. I killed a pronghorn that was 13 1/2 inches. He said "You owe me $100." I said, "No. I owe you $50 as the horns were not 14 inches." I ended up giving him $70, even though I did not owe it to him.
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Post by swilk on Dec 26, 2009 9:59:29 GMT -5
What if the deer measured 129 1/4" would you pay the fine.If they are so concerned about the 130" rule they should put a guide on each hunt. Yes, I would. If a client is so concerned about that 130" rule they should not hunt there.
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