Loading for that 2nd Shot

I may be wrong but just a suggestion. i seen a article the other day where triple 7 primers were too hot and actually pushing the load partially down barrel prior to full ignition thus causing the powder ring and seating problem try remington cleanbore primers. i use them and have found quite a difference in my remington genisis both with fouling and loading. also improved my grouping and accuracy

First few times I had trouble, I cleaned from the muzzle with damp patches and still could not get the round to seat. Finally resorted to removing the breech plug and running a few through from that end to as well. Once you can see down the barrel from the breech end, you can easily see a hard ring of what appears to be powder.

It is frustrating as I have not had this trouble in my CVA. The guy I shoot with has an T/C Encore and never has a problem. He has even shot the same loads as me to see if he can recreate the problem for himself while we're at the range.

I will give the remington primers a try this weekend. If that fails, I may go ahead and give loose powder a shot too.

Thanks!

777 primers were supposedly made just for eliminating the conditions that you are experiencing since standard Win and CCI 209's would ignite with such force to slightly move the pellets/sabot in the barrel and create open space in which the first part of the pellets would burn and create the fouling ring. The Traditions that I just sighted in for a friend was doing the exact same thing with a follow up shot in a dirty barrel. Only the dirty second shot was only hitting 1" higher at 50 yards than where it is sighted in. No problems here! I clean between shots while shooting with T/C #13 and it cleans completely with three wet patches and two dry. While I am sighting in, I want to know where that first clean shot is going every time. Then when it is sighted, I will throw one dirty shot just to find out where it is going if I needed a follow up. I am using the CCI primers.

Thanks guys, I appreciate the suggestions. When it comes to range time and sighting in I don't mind having to swab the barrel at all. However, I am worried about the possibility of that 'fast follow-up shot' in the field oldhoyt mentioned. While I hope to never need it, I am a 'never say never guy' when it comes to hunting as I've found it is way too easy to screw up a perfectly good shot on my own.

I will give the Kleanbore primers a try and see if that will solve the problem for that 2nd shot. I have been toying around with trying out loose powder since I got the Triumph as well and have heard good things about the BH 209 from several (on here and at the range), so I may go ahead and give it a try too.

Thanks again. I will post on here in a week or two to let you know how it goes/

Spent 3 hours at the range this morning after picking up a box of the Remington Kleenbore primers. Got the Triumph dialed in for the first shot and found something very interesting: Of all the sabots mentioned in my first paragraph, the one which shoots the best is a hollow point. I could not get consistent groups with the aero-tip style sabots even when using the appropriate tip for connicals. Using hollow points, Had 3-3 shot groups from a clean barrel ranging from smallest 1 5/8" up to 3". It was pretty breezy this morning, so I will run over one afternoon and see if holds up in light/no wind conditions.

After getting dialed in then spent next 1 1/2 hours trying different combinations of primers (777, CCI and Kleenbore), pellets (777, IMR White Hots, Pyrodex) to see if I could ever get that 2nd shot to seat fully. It did not matter what I did, it just was not going to go. Even borrowed my buddies 'T' handle ramrod and could not get it down. Closest I got was slightly under 1/4" from the mark.

As long as I ran a couple of damp patches down the barrel the 2nd sabot would go in fine and fully seat. So, looks like I will carry a couple of damp patches in a zip lock just in case. While I have never had need for a follow up shot in the field with ML, I just like the insurance. My weekends are pretty much full for next several weeks, so I will wait until after the season to start playing with loose powder.

Ironically, one guy who moved over from the 50 to 100 yard table next to ours commented that there was a guy on the 50 yard line having the exact problem I was with a new Triumph! But that he was so PO'd he left.

Guys, thanks for the suggestions above. Since I live so close to the range, I will start experimenting more in the spring.

For what its worth, my Encore does the same thing. In 1997, when I bought the rifle, I was also troubled by the fact that my 2nd and even 3rd shot at the range showed improper seating. The best I could do was about 1/8 to 1/4 inch within my first shot measured on the ramrod. I called TC customer service, and they told me this was normal due to fouling no matter the primer or powder I used. I marked my rod to make sure it always stays within the "1/4 inch" mark at seating the sabot. Many years and hundreds of shots later, she still shoots as true as ever. I know you speak of the Triumph and I shoot the Encore, but I think the principal is still the same. On the other hand, if I am doing something wrong and someone out there has a better idea or solution I'm open to change. Like you "swindi" this has always kind of bothered me, too.

Interesting

I noticed this problem on my son's gun as well

Thanks for all the info

I wondered what was going on

How close is that follow-up shot with the bullet seated as far as you can get it? Mine seats about 1/4 inch higher than when clean and the shot is only off an inch at 50 yards.

omegahunter:

The 2nd shot moves right 4" to the right and 1" down from the first shot when shooting at 100 yards and is fairly consistent to that spot. So I know I can make a 'field expedient' adjustment if I have too.