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Post by hoosierhuntinful on Dec 14, 2007 9:13:58 GMT -5
hard saying..i know the DNR set up a roadblock on 129 in Jefferson county on sunday night of opening weekend of firearms at about the same time antlerless permits came out...the DNR had a stack of about 50 deer that were not tagged and this was only 45 minutes after last shooting light.......and they also had quite a few turkeys in a pile also.........
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Post by raporter on Dec 14, 2007 9:16:32 GMT -5
Lower than we may think.... Like teachers, the good ones can't be payed enough and anything is to much for the bad ones.
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Post by old3arrows on Dec 14, 2007 11:25:00 GMT -5
The roadblock on 129 is news to me as 129 does not go in to Jefferson County. It goes from Ripley straight in to Switzerland County and connects up with 56 just west of Vevay. They used to put DNR road blocks up in Versailles at the now closed Day-Nite gas station a few years back, and Cross Plains, Pleasant, or Moorefield are the only other towns that they might set a roadblock up in, and I didn't see any on opening weekend of gun this year.
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Post by indianahick on Dec 14, 2007 11:45:53 GMT -5
My opinion is that the CO that said that the illegal take is as high or higher than the legal is full of fecal matter. I do believe that the non tagged, non registered take is probably in the 20 to 30 percent range. With a lot of deer tagged in case of being checked and then when home new tags are printed and that deer is home processed with the left overs going out with the weekly trash collector. I do not process my own nor do I really want to. But until quite recently I did get to spend a lot of time talking with a retired CO. He was my daughters father in law. I miss my friend.
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Post by hoosierhuntinful on Dec 14, 2007 13:14:03 GMT -5
The roadblock on 129 is news to me as 129 does not go in to Jefferson County. It goes from Ripley straight in to Switzerland County and connects up with 56 just west of Vevay. They used to put DNR road blocks up in Versailles at the now closed Day-Nite gas station a few years back, and Cross Plains, Pleasant, or Moorefield are the only other towns that they might set a roadblock up in, and I didn't see any on opening weekend of gun this year. my bad..i forgot that Jefferson was right outside of where 129 goes just past Moorefield...this roadblock was set up between Pleasent and Cross Plains where the road curves by the tractor sales place.....and this roadblock was at least 15 years ago....they set one up the following year but they got nothing so the following year they set up close to Versailles...i havnt seen a roadblock in years now....i was commenting on how many deer are poached/untagged and by this roadblock it was numerous...they even had an Amish guy who killed a nice buck with a rifle there
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Post by mbogo on Dec 14, 2007 14:24:36 GMT -5
The number of bucks officially harvested and checked in is greater now than it was before the OBR, but in my area I don't think the poaching is any worse now than it was before. Of course, that is mostly because it has always been bad here with more than a few guys taking more than their one allotted buck in firearms season.
I have trouble believing that the number of unreported deer is greater or equal to the number of legally reported deer. However, I could believe that the number of unreported deer + the number of reported deer taken illegally could equal or exceed the number of deer taken legally. Most people around here check in or have someone check in their illegal deer.
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Post by old3arrows on Dec 14, 2007 15:40:59 GMT -5
I think one thing that has made a big difference in the catching of poachers is the use of cell phones everywhere. CO's have more real time data on when and where violations are occurring so that they can act more quickly and a lot of times they send local law enforcement out ahead of them to catch the guys until they arrive. I know that they spot check a lot of the books kept by check in stations for guys double dipping on bucks or taking advantage of the bonus county deer tags, and then follow up by talking to the individual in person. I realize that record keeping mistakes are made by the persons at the check stations as well, that's why I try to have all of my information in an easy to read and follow format when checking in deer, since I write my own tags with a lifetime license.
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Post by Redemption on Dec 14, 2007 18:15:37 GMT -5
Don't forget the "Urban" zones. I think some have a fifty mile radius. Just another inconvenient truth about the OBR. I have heard of blood trails going 10-20 miles! I guess if you find a deer at the end of a blood trail that long it is considered killed in that county. Thats what I have been told anyway! I would like to see the buck harvest info for some of these zones. It would seem to me that there would be a disproportionally large number of bucks killed in these counties now as compared to the years prior to OBR. When we have the scientific study after the re-implementation of 2 bucks, hopefully some of these things will come to light.
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Post by hoosier on Dec 14, 2007 18:21:31 GMT -5
Not as bad as it used to be in my area. Very area dependent. The CO's really cracked down on the poaching the last few years. Do you mean the CO's have really cracked down on poaching the last few years IN OWEN COUNTY? If so, I can't disagree more i'm afraid. Poaching is rampant in Owen county. I get tired of hearing high powered rifle shots in the middle of the night from September on. I have seen the carnage of does with backstraps stripped and bucks lying dead with their racks removed! Needless to say several bucks are killed in season but tagged illegally or not at all as well. Sorry to disagree with you neighbor. We need a LOT more enforcement around here!
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 14, 2007 21:32:22 GMT -5
It is a big county and it depends on where you are at. Baby steps, involve the CO as much as you can in possible violations. Just better than it used to be in my area, still as bad in others of the county. Enforcement is not going to happen in some areas unless someone calls on the dogs.
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 15, 2007 4:47:51 GMT -5
Don't forget the "Urban" zones. I think some have a fifty mile radius. Here's one for you..... A kid down the street killed a basket 6 in the early part of early archery, he killed the deer in Brown County.....and he checked the deer at a check station on SR46 just east of Gnaw Bone. When he checked the deer, the guy at the check station ASKED him if he wanted to check it as an "Urban Kill".... Is there any urban zones even close to Gnaw Bone?
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 15, 2007 7:38:48 GMT -5
quote]Then you are as guilty as they are.....[/quote] Thanks, Solo! You are correct. Was really just trying to allude to the fact that more deer would be checked if we had telecheck, like Kentucky. BTW, nice archery buck you killed.
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Post by indianahick on Dec 15, 2007 16:47:03 GMT -5
No I do not see tele check getting more deer checked in. Those that do not check deer in now will not use tele check. I think believing in that happening is just wishful thinking. A cheat is a cheat no matter what and those that do will.
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Post by Hawkeye on Dec 15, 2007 20:41:04 GMT -5
No I do not see tele check getting more deer checked in. Those that do not check deer in now will not use tele check. I think believing in that happening is just wishful thinking. A cheat is a cheat no matter what and those that do will. Agree,may or may not get more Deer checked in,but would sure be nice when you kill a Deer late in the day and maybe it is warm and the nearest check station 40 miles away has closed for the night.
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 16, 2007 7:37:14 GMT -5
Agreed it won't help with the cheaters but it sure would be nice for those time that Hawkeye stated. You wouldn't see a change in the numbers checked but it would be much less of a hassle and the harvest numbers could be compiled automatically and be available throughout the year.
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Post by danf on Dec 16, 2007 9:14:54 GMT -5
No, telecheck won't help with those that shoot a deer without a tag. It will, however, help with those who *DO* have a tag and can't get the deer checked in a reasonable amount of time, especially on the warmer days. And the warmer days aren't just in early archery, I remember just a few years ago it hit 70 degrees on opening day of firearms, and it was just 6 years ago that it was 70 during the second week of December.
All other things being equal, the reported harvest numbers will go up with a telecheck system. However, we won't ever be able to tell for sure since the harvest is a dynamic thing from year-to-year....
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Post by hoosierhuntinful on Dec 16, 2007 9:18:31 GMT -5
switching to 48 hours to get a deer checked in instead of 24 makes it easier to get home from hunting camp and process the deer without ever checking it in
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Post by indianahick on Dec 16, 2007 15:00:47 GMT -5
Did not say that telecheck would not help those that check in and process their own. If you are going to be legal you are going to be legal whether you have 10 hours or 48. Bottom line no matter what is simply that those that do not check in now will not check in later, whether you have telephone check in or computer check in or as it is now. Just said that pushing for telecheck using the reasoning that those that do not check in would then. Sorry but I do believe that that reasoning is a fairy tale being sold to you, now if you want it because it would make it easier for some the go for it, personally my check station is my processor. One stop and I am done. Kindly do not read more into my statements than is actually there. Its like if you asked me to do something and I said okay. Okay means simply yes I will do that. Not promising to drop everything to do it now, it will be done but just when I see it in my own priority list.
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